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Author Topic: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer  (Read 9561 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2023, 10:11:06 AM »
Did he ever reduce his thoughts in that regard to writing as far as you know?

Not to my knowledge.  This is just related by apparently-reliable eyewitnesses, or, rather ear-witnesses.

Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2023, 11:20:34 AM »
Not directly.  They force retired him in 1981, however, so this was before the consecrations.  Bishop de Castro Mayer relied upon the notion that V2 was a "pastoral" Council and held that in his diocese pastoral considerations weighed against it.

By the time of the 1988 consecrations, he had become a sedevacantist.

I do wonder why neither Montini nor Wojtyla moved to remove him.  I think that until Bergoglio started removing +Strickland, it was considered contrary to the principles of "collegiality".
If they forced retirement on him then it isn't different than Strickland.  Only difference is Strickland refused.


Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2023, 12:03:44 PM »
If they forced retirement on him then it isn't different than Strickland.  Only difference is Strickland refused.

Sure it is.  They got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a technicality when he he turned 75 in 1981, which Montini had set forth as a mandatory retirement age.  There was no notion of being deposed due to his being Traditional (although I'm quite certain they were happy to see him go).  Montini ordered mandatory retirement at the age of 75 in 1966, and that provision also became part of the 1983 Code of Canon Law.  So they got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a legal technicality, but did not depose him for teaching "contrary to the faith", as they alleged of +Strickland.  And, the reasons Jorge gave for why +Strickland was teaching contrary to the faith was based on Bergoglio's "teaching" that the Deposit of Faith is not static but can change.  In other words, they deposed him for not being a Modernist.

Offline DecemRationis

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2023, 12:23:42 PM »
Sure it is.  They got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a technicality when he he turned 75 in 1981, which Montini had set forth as a mandatory retirement age.  There was no notion of being deposed due to his being Traditional (although I'm quite certain they were happy to see him go).  Montini ordered mandatory retirement at the age of 75 in 1966, and that provision also became part of the 1983 Code of Canon Law.  So they got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a legal technicality, but did not depose him for teaching "contrary to the faith", as they alleged of +Strickland.  And, the reasons Jorge gave for why +Strickland was teaching contrary to the faith was based on Bergoglio's "teaching" that the Deposit of Faith is not static but can change.  In other words, they deposed him for not being a Modernist.

That's my understanding. It was a "forced" retirement simply by virtue of the mandatory retirement age. They didn't "get him" for keeping the Old Mass alive in his diocese without an "indult" or any such nonsense. Pretty remarkable. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2023, 01:52:18 PM »
That's my understanding. It was a "forced" retirement simply by virtue of the mandatory retirement age. They didn't "get him" for keeping the Old Mass alive in his diocese without an "indult" or any such nonsense. Pretty remarkable.

Yes, I've long wondered why they just left him alone and didn't force the issue.  I got the impression that he used some of their own principles against them.  I think I heard (just verbally ... haven't seen it in writing) that, when he was asked about it, he said something along the lines of, "Vatican II was a pastoral Council.  I am the pastor of my diocese, and I don't see a pastoral need for the New Mass here."  So he used the idea that V2 was pastoral and the notion of collegiality against them.  To have deposed him on those grounds would have meant ripping the facade off the "pastoral" ruse and also would have taken the teeth off their principles of collegiality.  But I can't confirm and only heard this from a source I cannot recall many years ago.