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gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #50 on:** September 12, 2010, 01:29:09 PM »

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I really don't think ABL gets the respect he deserves. If he had not saved the Traditional Latin Mass, then Traditional Catholicism could not still exist.

He may not, but that is another issue. As for the Mass, the Faith, etc., we shall never know what would have occurred had ABL never existed, done nothing, etc. God always provides, and in that hour one tool of His Providence was ABL -- may he rest in peace.

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Padre Pio was obviously referring to the TLM, NOT the NO.

You mean the 'ordinary form' of the Roman Rite? :wink:

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #51 on:** September 12, 2010, 01:54:47 PM »

Paul VI referred to the NO as a new rite, I believe.

And he was honest in doing so.

"Two forms of the same Rite" is Benedict's attempt at the "hermeneutic of continuity", I think.

On the other hand, this phraseology does fit with the idea that the TLM was never abrogated but that the NO was introduced as an optional form.

In any case, whatever you call the NO it is completely different than the TLM. Some of it's 5,000 forms more than others.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #52 on:** September 12, 2010, 07:21:36 PM »

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Paul VI referred to the NO as a new rite, I believe.

And he was honest in doing so.

"Two forms of the same Rite" is Benedict's attempt at the "hermeneutic of continuity", I think.

On the other hand, this phraseology does fit with the idea that the TLM was never abrogated but that the NO was introduced as an optional form.

In any case, whatever you call the NO it is completely different than the TLM. Some of it's 5,000 forms more than others.

The Novus Ordo was actually made mandatory in either 1971 or 1972, however (I'm thinking it was 1971). The NO started out as an optional rite but soon became mandatory.

hollingsworth1 · « **Reply #53 on:** September 13, 2010, 05:05:26 PM »

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Mgr Lefebvre once declared to a common friend who was questioning him about Sister Lucy: «She says so many things!» In this he demonstrated that he had no faith in the revelation of the great Secret of Fatima,

I have a "common friend" of the Archbishop, as well, who may pull rank on Albino's "common friend," My "common friend" told me that he did not know one way or the other- that the Archbishop never talked much about it. However, may it be noted that, to my knowledge, prayers for the conversion of Russia are offered at the end of all Low Masses conducted in Society chapels.