It is a given that the method that worked so well to bring about the devastation of V2 - infiltration - would also be continued among those who resist.  The SSPX was the first, largely visible resistance, ergo, it is a given they would have be priority numero uno for the infiltrators.  As someone who has never been involved with the SSPX, I will also say it is a given that said infiltrators would go after any notable groups that would splinter off from the SSPX - sedevacantists among them.  Whether in the SSPX or sede circles, I have seen too many indicators of the use of textbook psychological warfare for it to be a mere accident.  The Hegelian dialectic is alive and well, as they are dividing and conquering the sheep with the greatest of ease.  Deus in adjutorium nostrum intende.

It's the Faith that is great, not the SSPX in itself.

This is true, and is, in a way, the same argument Fr. Sanborn was getting at with his article, Which Comes First: Faith or Apostolic Authority?  Even Holy Church would be, if such were possible, useless if she no longer taught the Faith.  Her mission is not to be a visible society - she is a visible society that she might carry out her mission: preach the Faith.

However visible an institution may be, if the very raison d'etre is to spread a Faith it no longer holds nor professes, what good is the visibility?  It does more harm than good, as it suckers millions into following the blind leaders into the pit.

Anyway, I know there is much more to it, but there is much more common ground between SSPX and sede resisters of a certain stripe than the enemy would like us to believe.  Often, the arguments arise from the defense, from different angles, of the very same principles.  God speed in JMJ, my friends.

Dear Uriel,

THOSE 3 POINTS ALONE WOULD HAVE ME UP IN ARMS! To bad the SSPX can not find those modernist priest and force them to leave...by ANY MEANS! I hate reading this stuff...all that is good and wholesome seems to be the target of evil and people, for the most part, knowingly just let it happen.

I have attended the Society's chapels for many years and there is only so much you can do. For example, relatively recent changes in the SSPX's position with regard to fasting and abstinence was met with "we must follow the church" type of reply from the priest. Here in Canada, the Society has also been enforcing other changes like standing for the Sanctus and Agnus Dei during High Mass. I have asked the priest about how this is possible and depending on the priest I have been strongly rebuked by silly statements such as - its a French Catholic custom or the Ukrainians do it etc. There was always a fear of expulsion  which by the way did occur to acquaintances of mine  for other issues which they questioned. So for many of my friends with a "Catholic sense" its a balance between the availability of the Mass and Sacraments versus how far will the SSPX bend towards Modernist Rome. We were fortunate up here to not have Novus Ordo clergy (ordained in the new rite) to serve Society chapels.

Are there "infiltrators" within the wood-work. Certainly I have my suspicions. Lets leave it at that.

sincerely,

Peter

The petition was to support Benedict XVI's decision to lift the excommunications.

There is docuмented evidence of infiltration of the Roman Catholic Church by her enemies.  Lots of it.  Just as in various  monarchies, governments, political groups, corporations, societies.

Why ever NOT the SSPX?  The Society is the most high=profile in the world.  In fact, on the SSPX website they have a History.  This includes some priests who pretended that they were going to be SSPX until ordination.  Abp. Levebvre delayed the ordinations, if I recall.  But still there were what, 6 of them who got ordained and split ASAP.

Is it reasonable to call that infiltration?

Look at some of the enemies of SSPX.  Why some of them were formed at Econe.  

And finally, there have been some non SSPX formed priests working in the chaspels with questionable motives.

The SSPX is the natural choice for an infiltrator.  As the FSSP gains prestige, it will be a target if it is not already.

The devil roaming around as a ravening wolf, seeking whom he will destroy (I hope I am not butchering Sacred Scripture
here.)

So I am interested to know what Brother Jean knows or doesn't know.   Having had our family messed up by wolves in sheep's clothing, the subject is close to my heart.

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Is it reasonable to call that infiltration?

Look at some of the enemies of SSPX.  Why some of them were formed at Econe.  

And finally, there have been some non SSPX formed priests working in the chaspels with questionable motives.

The SSPX is the natural choice for an infiltrator.  As the FSSP gains prestige, it will be a target if it is not already.

The FSSP or at least certain pockets of it is more likely to topple before the SSPX. Some priests in the FSSP are as Traditional as SSPX ones, while others are not. Fr. Devillers, who was the FSSP Superior General from 2000-2006 was openly called a liberal by Bishop Fellay. The French FSSP District Superior Fr. Garban defended the Assisi ecuмenia back in 2002 to the shock of many Trads. I also question the motives of some within the FSSP and ICKSP to push Juventutem at WYD when Trads for years have been saying not to go to that pop-culture mess.

The SSPX however, does have a few priests that are suspect. One in particular is an Americanist and promotes the bogus claim that America was founded on Catholic principles and that George Washington converted on his deathbed. These views are now wide spread amongst American Traditional Catholics.

The JBS tries to recruit among all the conservative churches, they are Americanists.  Their books they entitled called "Americanist Classics"  They actually call themselves that - albeit they would say their Americanism is not that meant by Leo XIII - but I would say they certainly qualify.

The SSPX however, does have a few priests that are suspect. One in particular is an Americanist and promotes the bogus claim that America was founded on Catholic principles and that George Washington converted on his deathbed. These views are now wide spread amongst American Traditional Catholics.

ALL of the SSPX priests are suspect, because the SSPX espouses blatant errors, and if a nobody of a layman like me can see it, what does that say about priests who studied for years and years?  Then again, practically all priests in France were Gallican at one time too...

I can't explain these things, except to say that I've also been tricked, and it was very sincere -- I was sincerely prideful and thus easily fooled  Speaking generally, I have no doubt that the temptation to wear a cassock, with all the respect that entails, could lead people to twist their minds around to believe something that is ridiculous.  Just look at Vatican II and how many of the clergy went along with it.  That is why the early saints RAN AWAY from being priests, rather than seeking it out, because they knew the high responsibilities that would be placed on them.  Somewhat later, St. Francis refused to be made a priest and always stayed a deacon, because he felt unworthy ( think about that ).  I fear for the SSPX priests, if there are any, who care more about what they consider to be their vocation than about truth.

Yeah, CMRI published something along those lines -- not the first part, but the second part, about George Washington's conversion.  But the implication of America being somehow admirable to God is there.

I love the deathbed conversion stories.  Napoleon and George Washington both converted on their deathbeds apocryphally.  Though this may not count as "conversion," exactly, in the Trad Wars, Malachi Martin and Abp. Lefebvre either accepted sedevacantism at the end, or were always against it, depending on who you talk to.