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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Clemens Maria on September 23, 2017, 06:02:16 PM
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https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/09/CORRECTION.html
Not by Burke. Bishop Fellay, Chris Ferrara, Roberto de Mattei and Martin Mosbach signed it along with many others. They accuse Frank of heresy. So apparently the Vicar of Christ can now promote heresy in papal encyclicals. Great! So much for infallibility.
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I'm guessing that Burke didn't sign because he's on record that a pope who falls into heresy loses the office of the papacy by that very fact.
I'm sure that Chris Ferrara's signature has Bergoglio quaking in his boots!
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I'm guessing that Burke didn't sign because he's on record that a pope who falls into heresy loses the office of the papacy by that very fact.
I'm sure that Chris Ferrara's signature has Bergoglio quaking in his boots!
Yeah. " :sleep:"
Just a reminder, one of nigh-countless...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOGfKeDKy8
Translation of translation? Feygele Frank could give a rat's, and apparently most of the "Catholic" world is right there with him not giving a rat's.
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https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/09/CORRECTION.html
Not by Burke. Bishop Fellay, Chris Ferrara, Roberto de Mattei and Martin Mosbach signed it along with many others. They accuse Frank of heresy. So apparently the Vicar of Christ can now promote heresy in papal encyclicals. Great! So much for infallibility.
no he can't.....
1917 Code of Canon law, part 4 of canon 188 says that says that Frank is an anti-pope...
See P Williams-- Among The Ruins pg 122
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no he can't.....
1917 Code of Canon law, part 4 of canon 188 says that says that Frank is an anti-pope...
See P Williams-- Among The Ruins pg 122
Don't worry. Everything will be OK as soon as Frank submits to Chris Ferrara.
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Yeah. " :sleep:"
Just a reminder, one of nigh-countless...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOGfKeDKy8
Translation of translation? Feygele Frank could give a rat's, and apparently most of the "Catholic" world is right there with him not giving a rat's.
More to the point for the time/patience challenged...
"Frankie Feets' Greatest Hits #..." (https://youtu.be/DGOGfKeDKy8?t=4m12s)
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... aaaaand on a likely related note...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-910fIY6Vw
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Don't worry. Everything will be OK as soon as Frank submits to Chris Ferrara.
Wish the "learned" Mr. Ferrara, would simply surf the net more...
cuŠ¼ ex apostolatus officio is the name of a papal bull issued by Pope Paul IV on 15 February 1559 as a codification or explicitation of the ancient Catholic law that only Catholics can be elected Popes, to the exclusion of non-Catholics, including former Catholics who have become public and manifest heretics. -Wikipedia
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Don't try to argue with Chris Ferrara. He is infallible.
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Too bad they didn't give the correction a title. Something like "95 Theses".
:applause: :laugh2:
Maybe nail it to the door of the Vatican YMCA...
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:applause: :laugh2:
Maybe nail it to the door of the Vatican YMCA...
Don't go near the door of the Vatican YMCA!
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Don't go near the door of the Vatican YMCA!
YidMenschCatholicAssociation (https://youtu.be/TrRAWz1WcFs?t=15s)
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I'm guessing that Burke didn't sign because he's on record that a pope who falls into heresy loses the office of the papacy by that very fact.
I'm sure that Chris Ferrara's signature has Bergoglio quaking in his boots!
Who would have the competence to make that determination?
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Who would have the competence to make that determination?
What determination, specifically?
Please avoid the standard conflation of "sin" v "crime"
You use the word "competence", so presumably you mean the canonical variety, correct?
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https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/09/CORRECTION.html
Not by Burke. Bishop Fellay, Chris Ferrara, Roberto de Mattei and Martin Mosbach signed it along with many others. They accuse Frank of heresy. So apparently the Vicar of Christ can now promote heresy in papal encyclicals. Great! So much for infallibility.
This is significant that Bp. Fellay signed this.
It must mean his "dialogue channel" with newChurch is in need of serious repair.
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This is significant that Bp. Fellay signed this.
It must mean his "dialogue channel" with newChurch is in need of serious repair.
Alternately, it could be the first foray of a more cohesive offensive ala "The enemy of my enemy..."
Politically speaking, it would be pretty savvy; what would he really have to lose? What would "Rome" do, excommunicate them again?
He'd have to be pretty bloody stupid, presuming that this isn't just another ruse w/in a ruse, to not know that he's just going to continue to be jerked around like L unless something decisive is done to turn the tide.
Plus he'd save, if not regain, face in the halls of "acronymia"
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This is significant that Bp. Fellay signed this.
It must mean his "dialogue channel" with newChurch is in need of serious repair.
Fr. Brucciani signed also.
Why not any Resistance bishops, I wonder?
And why not any Cardinals from the dubia, although maybe only 2 are left alive?
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The fact that Cardinal Burke did not sign it, may be due to his view of the situation being different , as someone has already mentioned on the thread. He may not have signed it because it would admit that the Pope had fallen into heresy, and that Burke believes that Francis would automatically lose his office.
So it shows that there is not one remedy for dealing with a Pope who teaches heresy. There are differing views, because the Church doesn't not have a set teaching on it.
The Rorate article says that many Catholics, even trads will, belittle this effort. Well, if so, then it's just being realistic, since it's unlikely that Francis will be too worried about it. The Rorate article also says that this is just a first step of a theological nature, and that it will lead, God willing, to an initiative a canonical nature from those who have a mandate to act. But who are those who have a mandate to act? Rorate doesn't say. There have been no Cardinals or even bishops who have backed this effort by contributing, that we know of, to the writing of the letter. Bishop Fellay signed it, but that's not the same thing as helping to write it.
It seems to me, that unless there is an effort by bishops and cardinals, then this effort will not go anywhere. Priests, educators, and laymen don't really have much authority to really do anything that will stick. Unless they are hoping to get the bishops and cardinals motivated to do something with this letter. I doubt that will happen, but I could be wrong.
I suppose it's a good thing that Bishop Fellay signed it, but it would have been better if he had confronted Francis directly, as he should have.
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This is very good if Frankie doesn't retract. If he does retract this heresy, or these heresies, we go back to where we were?
Short of a full conversion and rejection of the Conciliar religion by Frankie - yeah, right - the best thing that could happen is he dig in his heretical heels. Which is the likely result, so . . .
:popcorn:
or he could just keep not responding.
Who knows? This could just be a way to fool more people. He's got both the figurative guns and numbers; a solid counter-punch at the right time could have people doing the lemming blitz screaming 'viva Il papa!' with renewed ardor.
He was a bouncer reportedly...
Big picture? I think it's going to show more clearly how little people care, save to say how much they do.
"... sound and fury... "
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I would consider not responding digging in his heretical heels. Good.
I was just reading a Hillary White thing on the Remnant about how the NO Mass is the mass of a "new religion." Really? I believe Archbishop Lefebvre said similar about the Conciliar Church as a "new religion."
And yet this guy is pope, and all the popes since Paul VI worshipping God in their "new religion" were popes of the One Church, the One True Religion, the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Huh?
We're all puppies who must have our noses rubbed in the mess until we are trained to go "outside." Takes longer with some - I'm a slow learner myself, for example. As time goes by, it is becoming clearer and clearer what the Conciliar Church is.
You go, Frankie boy!!!
You lost me at Hilarious White man, but I hear you. Given time, Frank could open a "Ba'al's BBQ and Real Baby Back Rib Shack" and it wouldn't even blip; they'd hand out coupons at their "services">
I've noticed over time that actually Catholic women say less the more they hear, or perhaps it's the other way round.
I can almost hear them biting their tongues sometimes, but I appreciate the mortification and feebly try to emulate it.
OH, before this tempts one to break said silence, yeah we get it; you hear more because you're not talking so much.
Tracking.
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Re White: it is beyond me how someone can say the NO is the mass of a "new religion" and yet recognize the V2 popes as popes. Must not the pope be Catholic?
Frankie will bring more and more around - these are our brothers and sisters.
The overwhelming majority will always be on the broad road, and not see the blipping neon sign.
Yeah, read more of her stuff. She flops around like a fish in a trawler.
Try, socratic like, to follow that line with her, you know "accompany" her, and see what it gets you.
Have some Tylenol 3 handy, just sayin'.
Some WILL not cede ground already taken.
Dancing around that "neon sign" says either that it isn't lit, or the dancers are of bad will.
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This is very good if Frankie doesn't retract. If he does retract this heresy, or these heresies, we go back to where we were?
Short of a full conversion and rejection of the Conciliar religion by Frankie - yeah, right - the best thing that could happen is he dig in his heretical heels. Which is the likely result, so . . .
:popcorn:
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We ought to expect more of the same from Francis.
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He has already shown that he pays no attention to dissenters or challengers, and continues dishing out more novelty and headlines.
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He no doubt has a whole list of projects in the works, and we haven't seen the worst of them yet.
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As for the label "Pope," Francis has not yet referred to himself as "Pope."
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He always has said he is the "bishop of Rome."
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No "Pontiff" or "Sovereign Pontiff" or "Holy Father" or "Supreme Pontiff" or even "Chief Shepherd."
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Just "bishop of Rome." :incense: (but he doesn't use incense very much)
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Frank could open a "Ba'al's BBQ and Real Baby Back Rib Shack" and it wouldn't even blip; they'd hand out coupons at their "services">
Agreed. It's hard to imagine what Francis would have to do in order to incur the wrath of the liberal media and nominal Catholics who don't have proper formation. I suspect that it would involve saying something totally Catholic and non-ambiguous.
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Agreed. It's hard to imagine what Francis would have to do in order to incur the wrath of the liberal media and nominal Catholics who don't have proper formation. I suspect that it would involve saying something totally Catholic and non-ambiguous.
I don't know either miss/ma'am, but in order to sustain said wrath I do know what he would have to be.
The aforementioned hardly seem anything other than consistently thrilled with "His Holiness", save the odd bump and kerfuffle thrown in for effect.
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from Rorate Caeli:
Update: to add your name (the public list will be moderated, i.e. the authors are looking especially for signatories with academic qualifications etc.) please email info@correctiofilialis.org (info@correctiofilialis.org)or go to Change.org (https://www.change.org/p/pope-francis-support-by-the-catholic-laity-for-the-filial-correction-of-pope-francis) to support the petition.
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So... Does this mean that "formal corrections" are nothing more than petitions?
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So... Does this mean that "formal corrections" are nothing more than petitions?
I believe that the second link is for average laymen to sign a petition of support, and the first is for Catholics with appropriate credentials to add their names to the list on the letter of correction.