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Offline SkidRowCatholic

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I thought some (such as Angelus and others) would find it interesting to discuss the parallels between the Two Kingdoms,

Where the figures are as follows;

Southern Kingdom 2 tribes = faithful Catholics pre-Vatican II (to some extent).

Northern Kingdom 10 tribes = majority of bad Catholics pre-Vatican II

Assyrian destruction/captivity of Samaria = Vatican II

In the decades leading up to the Second Vatican Council, we see a gradually weakening of Catholic principles on the part of not only the laity, but even the clergy, and even some of the pre-Vatican II popes. Principles such as remaining a “people set apart” the dangers of worldliness,  penitential and liturgical disciplines being relaxed, unnecessary communication with non-believers, inter-marriage discipline being ignored, and even ecuмenistic events that sought “dialogue” with Jews, and Protestants. All this deep rot, burst forth for the world to witness at Vatican II. Kind of like this:


The more liberal Catholics (10 tribes) were allowed to go unpunished a formed a false sect from within (Samaria) that did not follow the Church authorities in doctrine/practice, but rather set up a counter magisterium to spread their pernicious errors (modernism) laying the ground work for the very invasion the Church would be overtaken with by Vatican II (the Assyrian destruction and subsequent "captivity").

Timeline of Elijah's ministry
  • Division of the Two Kingdoms: Following the death of King Solomon around 931 BCE, the united kingdom of Israel split into the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah.
  • Elijah's Ministry Begins: Elijah's ministry began around 870 BCE, during the reign of King Ahab in the northern kingdom of Israel.
  • Confrontation with Baal: Elijah's most notable act took place on Mount Carmel when he challenged King Ahab and the prophets of Baal to a contest to prove who was the true God.
  • Ascension: Elijah's time as an active prophet concluded around 849 BCE when, according to the account in 2 Kings, he was taken into heaven by a whirlwind.
  • Letter to King Jehoram: Later, a letter from Elijah was sent to King Jehoram of Judah (2 Chronicles 21:12). Since Jehoram's reign took place after Elijah's supposed ascension,
  • some biblical scholars believe Elijah was transported to another location rather than taken directly to the presence of God.
Timeline of key events
  • Elijah's Ministry (approx. 870–849 BCE): Elijah was a prophet in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reigns of King Ahab and his son, Ahaziah. 
  • Assyrian Invasion (approx. 740 BCE): The Neo-Assyrian Empire began its conquest of the northern kingdom under King Tiglath-Pileser III around 740 BCE.

Siege and Fall of Samaria (722 BCE): The Assyrians laid siege to Samaria, the capital of the northern kingdom. The city fell in 722 BCE under the Assyrian king Sargon II, and the Israelite population was deported throughout the Assyrian.

And of course then their are many parallels that can be inferred from the plight of the Southern Kingdom (Trads)

So, I am of course open to any number of other interpretations/corrections if said parallel(s) and figures are "encoded /alluded to" in the Holy Scriptures. Or maybe just some of your thoughts, musings, etc.

Hopefully, this could be a meaningful conversation that inspires people to read and study the Scriptures more.

Thanks in advance!




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  • Since you asked for other's thoughts on your post...

    1. I think we should avoid the use of dates as BCE ("Before Common Era" replacing "Before Christ").
    2. Please consider removing that image, it is unnecessary and disgusting. I was attracted to the post by the title but now all I can see if that image and for some reason I find it difficult to read your post because of it.


    Thank you



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  • 1. I think we should avoid the use of dates as BCE ("Before Common Era" replacing "Before Christ").
    I thought some (such as Angelus and others) would find it interesting to discuss the parallels between the Two Kingdoms,

    Where the figures are as follows;

    Southern Kingdom 2 tribes = faithful Catholics pre-Vatican II (to some extent).

    Northern Kingdom 10 tribes = majority of bad Catholics pre-Vatican II

    Assyrian destruction/captivity of Samaria = Vatican II

    In the decades leading up to the Second Vatican Council, we see a gradually weakening of Catholic principles on the part of not only the laity, but even the clergy, and even some of the pre-Vatican II popes. Principles such as remaining a “people set apart” the dangers of worldliness,  penitential and liturgical disciplines being relaxed, unnecessary communication with non-believers, inter-marriage discipline being ignored, and even ecuмenistic events that sought “dialogue” with Jews, and Protestants. All this deep rot, burst forth for the world to witness at Vatican II.

    The more liberal Catholics (10 tribes) were allowed to go unpunished a formed a false sect from within (Samaria) that did not follow the Church authorities in doctrine/practice, but rather set up a counter magisterium to spread their pernicious errors (modernism) laying the ground work for the very invasion the Church would be overtaken with by Vatican II (the Assyrian destruction and subsequent "captivity").

    And of course then their are many parallels that can be inferred from the plight of the Southern Kingdom (Trads)



    *this is AI generated and I should have checked it better - apologies*

    Timeline of Elijah's ministry
    • Division of the Two Kingdoms: Following the death of King Solomon around 931 BC, the united kingdom of Israel split into the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah.
    • Elijah's Ministry Begins: Elijah's ministry began around 870 BC, during the reign of King Ahab in the northern kingdom of Israel.
    • Confrontation with Baal: Elijah's most notable act took place on Mount Carmel when he challenged King Ahab and the prophets of Baal to a contest to prove who was the true God.
    • Ascension: Elijah's time as an active prophet concluded around 849 BC when, according to the account in 2 Kings, he was taken into heaven by a whirlwind.
    • Letter to King Jehoram: Later, a letter from Elijah was sent to King Jehoram of Judah (2 Chronicles 21:12). Since Jehoram's reign took place after Elijah's supposed ascension,
    • some biblical scholars believe Elijah was transported to another location rather than taken directly to the presence of God.
    Timeline of key events
    • Elijah's Ministry (approx. 870–849 BC): Elijah was a prophet in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reigns of King Ahab and his son, Ahaziah. 
    • Assyrian Invasion (approx. 740 BC): The Neo-Assyrian Empire began its conquest of the northern kingdom under King Tiglath-Pileser III around 740 BC.

    Siege and Fall of Samaria (722 BC): The Assyrians laid siege to Samaria, the capital of the northern kingdom. The city fell in 722 BC under the Assyrian king Sargon II, and the Israelite population was deported throughout the Assyrian.


    2. Please consider removing that image, it is unnecessary and disgusting. 
    It is an apt and fitting image that convey's the truth about the deep set rot and subsequent "explosion" of filth/bile after Vatican II.

    While I cannot remove the image from the original post - Matthew can if he should like, or you may ask him to if you find it impossible to avert your eyes and make due with this redacted post with the other mentioned corrections.

    Thanks!

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  • Perhaps a good starting point...

    "And Solomon did that which was not pleasing before the Lord, and did not fully follow the Lord, as David his father. 7 Then Solomon built a temple for Chamos the idol of Moab, on the hill that is over against Jerusalem, and for Moloch the idol of the children of Ammon. 8 And he did in this manner for all his wives that were strangers, who burnt incense, and offered sacrifice to their gods. 9 And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his mind was turned away from the Lord the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice, 10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not follow strange gods: but he kept not the things which the Lord commanded him.

    11 The Lord therefore said to Solomon: Because thou hast done this, and hast not kept my covenant, and my precepts, which I have commanded thee, I will divide and rend thy kingdom, and will give it to thy servant. 12 Nevertheless in thy days I will not do it, for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. 13 Neither will I take away the whole kingdom, but I will give one tribe to thy son for the sake of David my servant, and Jerusalem which I have chosen."


    https://www.drbo.org/chapter/11011.htm

    A pre-Vatican II pope who "displeased God" (Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII, John XXIII?)  Or Solomon as a figure of perverted clerics such as,

    Turning to differences in dogma among Christians Cardinal Cushing said, “We must recognize the obstacles, but we must not quarrel over them.”
    “We are told there is no salvation outside the church nonsense!” the prelate said. “Nobody can tell me that Christ died on Calvary for any select group.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1964/02/06/archives/cardinal-cushing-symbol-of-new-boston-blends-unity-effort-in.html

    https://www.jta.org/archive/archbishop-cushing-dedicates-catholic-chapel-at-brandeis-university (yes, a jew source, they loved him)

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  • I thought some (such as Angelus and others) would find it interesting to discuss the parallels between the Two Kingdoms,

    Where the figures are as follows;

    Southern Kingdom 2 tribes = faithful Catholics pre-Vatican II (to some extent).

    Northern Kingdom 10 tribes = majority of bad Catholics pre-Vatican II

    Assyrian destruction/captivity of Samaria = Vatican II

    In the decades leading up to the Second Vatican Council, we see a gradually weakening of Catholic principles on the part of not only the laity, but even the clergy, and even some of the pre-Vatican II popes. Principles such as remaining a “people set apart” the dangers of worldliness,  penitential and liturgical disciplines being relaxed, unnecessary communication with non-believers, inter-marriage discipline being ignored, and even ecuмenistic events that sought “dialogue” with Jews, and Protestants. All this deep rot, burst forth for the world to witness at Vatican II.

    The more liberal Catholics (10 tribes) were allowed to go unpunished a formed a false sect from within (Samaria) that did not follow the Church authorities in doctrine/practice, but rather set up a counter magisterium to spread their pernicious errors (modernism) laying the ground work for the very invasion the Church would be overtaken with by Vatican II (the Assyrian destruction and subsequent "captivity").

    And of course then their are many parallels that can be inferred from the plight of the Southern Kingdom (Trads)



    *this is AI generated and I should have checked it better - apologies*

    Timeline of Elijah's ministry
    • Division of the Two Kingdoms: Following the death of King Solomon around 931 BC, the united kingdom of Israel split into the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah.
    • Elijah's Ministry Begins: Elijah's ministry began around 870 BC, during the reign of King Ahab in the northern kingdom of Israel.
    • Confrontation with Baal: Elijah's most notable act took place on Mount Carmel when he challenged King Ahab and the prophets of Baal to a contest to prove who was the true God.
    • Ascension: Elijah's time as an active prophet concluded around 849 BC when, according to the account in 2 Kings, he was taken into heaven by a whirlwind.
    • Letter to King Jehoram: Later, a letter from Elijah was sent to King Jehoram of Judah (2 Chronicles 21:12). Since Jehoram's reign took place after Elijah's supposed ascension,
    • some biblical scholars believe Elijah was transported to another location rather than taken directly to the presence of God.
    Timeline of key events
    • Elijah's Ministry (approx. 870–849 BC): Elijah was a prophet in the northern kingdom of Israel during the reigns of King Ahab and his son, Ahaziah.
    • Assyrian Invasion (approx. 740 BC): The Neo-Assyrian Empire began its conquest of the northern kingdom under King Tiglath-Pileser III around 740 BC.

    Siege and Fall of Samaria (722 BC): The Assyrians laid siege to Samaria, the capital of the northern kingdom. The city fell in 722 BC under the Assyrian king Sargon II, and the Israelite population was deported throughout the Assyrian.

    It is an apt and fitting image that convey's the truth about the deep set rot and subsequent "explosion" of filth/bile after Vatican II.

    While I cannot remove the image from the original post - Matthew can if he should like, or you may ask him to if you find it impossible to avert your eyes and make due with this redacted post with the other mentioned corrections.

    Thanks!

    I agree with your general thoughts that the narratives are pre-figuring future historical events in the Church. But I would place those narratives at a different point in history.

    It seems to me that the period of Solomon (meaning Peace) is the figure of the Church in the period of the Middle Ages, the Age of Christendom. The Northern/Southern Kingdom split represents the East-West schism and the Great Western Schism and the Renaissance Church. The Ahab/Jezebel period is a figure of the Reformation period, especially in the Anglican context (Jezebel=Elizabeth I and the false priests are the Anglicans). I'm not familiar with King Jehoram.

    I think the Assyrian is a figure of the secular powers that are God's instrument of Chastisement on the Church. It is likely that the Assyrian at that point in the narrative represents Napoleon or something related to the French Revolution. The Assyrian is discussed in Isaiah, which I think is a figure of the secular powers behind WWII.

    I think the pre-vatican II period is figured in Isaiah 36-39. Hezekiah is a figure of Pius XII. I agree with the your general description of the gradual "weakening of Catholic principles" during early 20th century. The modernists went underground after Pius X and did their secret work in the Seminaries and in the bowels of the Curia.

    Hope what I have said is coherent.



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    Hope what I have said is coherent.
    Perfectly, thank you.

    Let me ask, do you also believe that their can be layers of parallels within the Scriptures, were any single historical event Scriptures can contain parallels and figures pointing to multiple future instances which can allow one to see types/figures in a comparative sense that spans multiple timelines rather than chronologically only where the swap is only one for one figure for figure, type for type, etc.

    This way of viewing the typology isn't as fixed on anyone event as being a one off for the other said future event,
    but rather multiple events in Scripture point to other multiple future events where the combinations can be quite varied and mixed throughout. 

    I hope that makes sense (but due to my ineffciency of expressing my meaning I don't doubt that it is muddled).

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    Perfectly, thank you.

    Let me ask, do you also believe that their can be layers of parallels within the Scriptures, were any single historical event Scriptures can contain parallels and figures pointing to multiple future instances which can allow one to see types/figures in a comparative sense that spans multiple timelines rather than chronologically only where the swap is only one for one figure for figure, type for type, etc.
    Yes, but it is just opinion.
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