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Beware the “institutional Church / valid Catholic” hoax
« on: October 22, 2021, 06:14:01 PM »
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  • New post from Louie on akaCatholic, worth a read.


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    In times of confusion, getting back to basics and re-establishing one’s footing in fundamental objective truth is always a good idea. In this post, we will do just that, reintroducing ourselves to the Catholic Church as if we have yet to formally met her.

    So, you believe that this particular exercise is just a little too basic? Hardly. 

    Based on my experience, it seems that most so-called “traditional” Catholics in our day desperately need to be reminded about the nature of this society to which all of us desire to belong. In fact, I have little doubt that by the conclusion of this article many an honest reader will feel compelled to admit to having been among them. I say this as one who traveled that same path not very long ago. 

    The Holy Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ on earth, founded by Our Lord as both “a human society” (Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis 40) and “a divine institution” (Pope Leo XIII,  Divinum Illud Munus 6). It is a visible, hierarchically ordered, society with Christ as its Head and the faithful as its members.

    Read more: https://akacatholic.com/beware-the-institutional-church-valid-catholic-hoax/
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: Beware the “institutional Church / valid Catholic” hoax
    « Reply #1 on: October 23, 2021, 07:52:26 AM »
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  • A good article, that points to the question all those attached to "Tradition" must confront: the essence of the Novus Ordo

    I remember the SSPX's Fr. Peter Scott's posting on the New Mass, how it "remains a sacrilege, and is in itself sinful" - yet still coming from a true pope, the rite of the true governing hierarchy of the Church. Good grief!!!

    While indulters are attacked often here, it seems to me that there are only two viable solutions regarding the New Mass: a) the view of the indulters or SSPX or Resistance types who do not share that view (I think of Bishop Williamson's fairly recent statements on the New Mass, and it seems to me that they indicate he would reject such a view as Father Scott's - but I welcome discussion/comment on that), who I think would (and logically should) emphatically reject such a conclusion of Fr. Scott's as absurd, and b) the view of the Sedes, who act consistently in light of such a view as Fr. Scott's by rejecting the hierarchy from which the New Mass came and comes. 

    For the life of me, I don't understand how one could share a view of Fr. Scott and remain of the view that the post-Conciliar "Institutional Church" is the true Church of Christ. To the extent that that is, or ever was, an official position of the SSPX, it baffles me. 

    Having said that, I adhere to the SSPX view (I believe shared by both the "Resistance" and the Bishop Fellay crowd) as a general principle, or in terms of a hermeneutic: the true hierarchy can err in teaching, or go astray on points that seem to touch on faith and morals, but not in a way that would endanger one of the faithful that remained in union with it

    Which is why I see such an extreme view of the Novus Ordo such as expressed by Fr. Scott, and addressed in Louie's article, as indeed absurd, since a true hierarchy and true pope could not feed the sheep of the true Church with a Mass that is sacrilegious or sinful.  
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.