Author Topic: Beware of Knights of Columbus (Read 1448 times)

songbird · « **on:** May 01, 2016, 06:45:29 PM »

In the dioceses, where ever you maybe, be aware of Knights of Columbus. They are out to get $ support for the Chaldean Catholics of Iraq. Those who are speaker on national tv are claiming to be Chaldean but is appears that they are Assyrian. Give no money.

Some traditionalists give money to organizations that are of the dioceses, because maybe they think they are ok.

Honestly, it is best to never give $ to anyone but your traditional church and clergy.

MMagdala · « **Reply #1 on:** May 02, 2016, 11:49:13 AM »

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Some traditionalists give money to organizations that are of the dioceses, because maybe they think they are ok.

Honestly, it is best to never give $ to anyone but your traditional church and clergy.

THIS. ^ Listen up. This is very important. I am friendly to several N.O. priests, but I never, ever give any money to anyone or anything besides trad apostolates. Doing anything else supports the Conciliar structure and "message." If you belong to a parish with dual liturgies and pastors/rectors, never give to the general collection plate at any Mass, even at the Latin Mass. Instead, use envelopes specifically addressed to the traditional side, if those are available there, or address those yourself. Better yet, hand your trad priest your donation, addressed to him and/or to his trad organization. If you're writing a check, making the check payable to the name of his organization is the best way to ensure it will not go to the diocese.

Geremia · « **Reply #2 on:** May 02, 2016, 11:55:11 AM »

Quote from: MMagdala

Quote from: songbird

Some traditionalists give money to organizations that are of the dioceses, because maybe they think they are ok.

Honestly, it is best to never give $ to anyone but your traditional church and clergy.

THIS. ^ Listen up. This is very important. I am friendly to several N.O. priests, but I never, ever give any money to anyone or anything besides trad apostolates. Doing anything else supports the Conciliar structure and "message." If you belong to a parish with dual liturgies and pastors/rectors, never give to the general collection plate at any Mass, even at the Latin Mass. Instead, use envelopes specifically addressed to the traditional side, if those are available there, or address those yourself. Better yet, hand your trad priest your donation, addressed to him and/or to his trad organization. If you're writing a check, making the check payable to the name of his organization is the best way to ensure it will not go to the diocese.

Even then, if the parish is associated with a diocese, that money could go to the diocese. It's best to stick to SSPX or sedevacantist parishes if you're really worried about money trickling into a Novus Ordo diocese.

MMagdala · « **Reply #3 on:** May 02, 2016, 12:22:23 PM »

Quote from: Geremia

Quote from: MMagdala
Quote from: songbird

Some traditionalists give money to organizations that are of the dioceses, because maybe they think they are ok.

Honestly, it is best to never give $ to anyone but your traditional church and clergy.

THIS. ^ Listen up. This is very important. I am friendly to several N.O. priests, but I never, ever give any money to anyone or anything besides trad apostolates. Doing anything else supports the Conciliar structure and "message." If you belong to a parish with dual liturgies and pastors/rectors, never give to the general collection plate at any Mass, even at the Latin Mass. Instead, use envelopes specifically addressed to the traditional side, if those are available there, or address those yourself. Better yet, hand your trad priest your donation, addressed to him and/or to his trad organization. If you're writing a check, making the check payable to the name of his organization is the best way to ensure it will not go to the diocese.
Even then, if the parish is associated with a diocese, that money could go to the diocese. It's best to stick to SSPX or sedevacantist parishes if you're really worried about money trickling into a Novus Ordo diocese.

Wrong. Not in my parish will it go to the N.O. diocese. The funds are separate. Again, if you give it to your trad priest, not to someone else, he will see to it that it goes only to his organization, and in our case he does report those separate results to those attending the TLM. Maybe not so with other situations, but it is with ours. Two different revenue streams entirely, and two different administrations of donations.

There are those who assist at the TLM who give to the general parish, but not I, and it's entirely possible to do that when the parish has a separate diocesan administrative vicar and a local rector in charge of the funds for his own apostolate.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #4 on:** May 02, 2016, 12:55:30 PM »

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At the Knights of Columbus' 133rd annual convention held Aug. 4-6 in Philadelphia, Pa., Supreme Knight Carl Anderson announced the creation of the Christian Refugee Relief Fund to aid persecuted Christians in Iraq and Syria. In attendance were Chaldean Archbishop of Erbil, Iraq, Bashar Matti Warda and Melkite Archbishop of Aleppo, Syria, Jean-Clement Jeanbart.

Archbishop Bashar Matti Warda, C.SS.R.
Date   Age   Event   Title
15 Jun 1969   46.88    Born   Baghdad
8 May 1993   23.8   Ordained Priest   Priest of Baghdad (Chaldean), Iraq
24 Aug 1997   28.1   Professed   Priest of Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer
15 Sep 2001   32.2   Professed (Perpetual Vows)   Priest of Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer
25 May 2009   39.9   Selected   Archbishop of Arbil {Erbil} (Chaldean), Iraq
24 May 2010   40.9   Confirmed   Archbishop of Arbil {Erbil} (Chaldean), Iraq
3 Jul 2010   41.0   Ordained Bishop   Archbishop of Arbil {Erbil} (Chaldean), Iraq

Archbishop Jean-Clément Jeanbart
Date   Age   Event   Title
3 Mar 1943   73.16    Born   Alep
15 Apr 1968   25.1   Ordained Priest   Priest of Alep [Beroea, Halab] (Melkite Greek), Syria
2 Aug 1995   52.4   Appointed   Archbishop of Alep [Beroea, Halab] (Melkite Greek), Syria
16 Sep 1995   52.5   Ordained Bishop   Archbishop of Alep [Beroea, Halab] (Melkite Greek), Syria

be careful in your accusations, the christian communities which are almost exclusively catholic or orthodox are isolated and usually side by side. Many times the western governments and or the local governments will seize the money if not sent through the "officially" recognized Heirarch so orthodox and Catholic have to work together to get the money where it belongs. believe me if the eastern Catholic clergy were being wronged they would speak up

To date, the Knights of Columbus has sent over $3 million to Iraq and Syria to aid Christian refugees.

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2016, 01:01:47 PM »

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Wrong. Not in my parish will it go to the N.O. diocese. The funds are separate. Again, if you give it to your trad priest, not to someone else, he will see to it that it goes only to his organization, and in our case he does report those separate results to those attending the TLM. Maybe not so with other situations, but it is with ours. Two different revenue streams entirely, and two different administrations of donations.

There are those who assist at the TLM who give to the general parish, but not I, and it's entirely possible to do that when the parish has a separate diocesan administrative vicar and a local rector in charge of the funds for his own apostolate.

The sad thing is that I think MMagdala actually believes this.

songbird · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2016, 02:29:00 PM »

The names listed are not the ones involved. I will hold back on names which are Assyrian names. They are under dioceses, New Order. That is the warning.

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2016, 09:48:10 PM »

I phoned Stephanie Block on this issue and left a message. She has written at least 4 books on the Alinskyian ways in the dioceses: Catholic Charities and Catholic Relief and etc.

I question the "medical" needs mentioned, one being children with AIDS. In the past, there have been Medical Relief services given to countries after disasters only to get more condoms than gauze.

We shall see if Stephanie has any insights.

songbird · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2016, 06:28:52 PM »

I think we can close this post. Knights of Columbus are New Order. You must be of the councilar church, and we are not. We should be recognizing this order to be supporting a Marxist group.

That is good enough for me to say no to the group.

MMagdala · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2016, 02:16:21 AM »

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Wrong. Not in my parish will it go to the N.O. diocese. The funds are separate. Again, if you give it to your trad priest, not to someone else, he will see to it that it goes only to his organization, and in our case he does report those separate results to those attending the TLM. Maybe not so with other situations, but it is with ours. Two different revenue streams entirely, and two different administrations of donations.

There are those who assist at the TLM who give to the general parish, but not I, and it's entirely possible to do that when the parish has a separate diocesan administrative vicar and a local rector in charge of the funds for his own apostolate.

The sad thing is that I think MMagdala actually believes this.

The sad thing is that you have no clue what you're talking about.
Separate collections, completely different custody of the funds. I would know. I also work there. The funds do not get co-mingled. For example, trad seminary funds go directly to the trad seminary in Europe, no place else.

Especially sad that you think you know everything. You are, sadly, mistaken.

MMagdala · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2016, 02:50:21 AM »

Quote from: songbird

I think we can close this post. Knights of Columbus are New Order. You must be of the councilar church, and we are not. We should be recognizing this order to be supporting a Marxist group.

That is good enough for me to say no to the group.

Whether they are Marxist or not, they are friendly to the Diocese, and "Conservative" Catholic in identity. As a group and as individuals, they contribute to the various "causes" of the diocese, and a diocese by definition is Conciliar and modern in orientation.

songbird · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2016, 09:38:48 PM »

In Madison, IN I think it was last year, Knights of Columbus rented their hall out for lesbians wedding reception.