This is what happens when one departs from the objectivity of what actually constitutes a mortal sin. The following paragraph is found in the latest exhortation of Pope Francis. Notice how these words open the door to a lax and relativistic approach to the sanctity of the Sacrament of Marriage. Apparently nowadays those in "irregular" situations such ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs or adulterers may not be in the state of mortal sin afterall. It all depends....!!!!

That is precisely what lack of clarity and relativistic loopholes do bring to the Faith without fail: obliteration of divinely revealed Truth at all levels.

Hence it can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” situations are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace. More is involved here than mere ignorance of the rule. A subject may know full well the rule, yet have great difficulty in understanding “its inherent values” [?], or be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin.

Wake me up when this nightmare is over.

An excerpt from another sermon where Fr. Wathen addresses the issue.

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Stubborn I think you are the false prophet your quote is talking about.

Submit to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church before it is too late!

Stop playing God and trying to judge the heart and soul of everyone who disagrees with you.    

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm

III. THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SINS

1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: "Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God."127

1853 Sins can be distinguished according to their objects, as can every human act; or according to the virtues they oppose, by excess or defect; or according to the commandments they violate. They can also be classed according to whether they concern God, neighbor, or oneself; they can be divided into spiritual and carnal sins, or again as sins in thought, word, deed, or omission. The root of sin is in the heart of man, in his free will, according to the teaching of the Lord: "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a man."128 But in the heart also resides charity, the source of the good and pure works, which sin wounds.

IV. THE GRAVITY OF SIN: MORTAL AND VENIAL SIN

1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

1856 Mortal sin, by attacking the vital principle within us - that is, charity - necessitates a new initiative of God's mercy and a conversion of heart which is normally accomplished within the setting of the sacrament of reconciliation:

When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery. . . . But when the sinner's will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial.130
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance (pretending it was not wrong yet knowing it is wrong) and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase the voluntary character of a sin.

1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God's forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices forever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

Stubborn I think you are the false prophet your quote is talking about.

Submit to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church before it is too late!

Stop playing God and trying to judge the heart and soul of everyone who disagrees with you.

Q. 282. How many things are necessary to make a sin mortal?
A. To make a sin mortal, three things are necessary: a grievous matter, sufficient reflection, and full consent of the will.

I am not playing God, rather you are willfully blind to the point that you reference the NO catechism - that's pretty screwed up.

Why don't you try to actually answer the clear question for once, for only one time in your CI life, try with all your might to actually stay on topic and actually answer the question. Do not fear the truth, it is the truth that will set you FINALLY free.

Now pay attention:

Because after listening to them, we tend to believe their false doctrines, God told us to beware of false prophets so as to avoid going to hell for listening to them.

When we believe the false doctrines, we live in sin because we will no longer believe the doctrines of Christ and the Church. When we die in that state, we will go to hell when we die.

Assuming you do not deny what I wrote above, if the catechism is right, then the only possible conclusion, is that the people who are in hell for listening to the false prophets, are there precisely because they listened to the false prophets with sufficient reflection, and full consent of the will. IOW, they knew they were committing mortal sin by listening and accepting false teachings, yet did it anyway.

Is THAT what you believe?

It is a very simple "yes or no" answer I am seeking here.  

I remind you that your fellow sedevacantist McCork is one who said that it is the heretics who typically avoid answering questions, I happen to actually agree with him on this.

I am not playing God, rather you are willfully blind to the point that you reference the NO catechism - that's pretty screwed up.

Stubborn your way of thinking is what is screwed up, you defend Francis and his  predecessors yet you deny their catechism, I thought you would accept it since you belong to their team. Even their catechism has some truth, deny that!

Another point of screwed up thoughts is your hypocritical belief;  Francis and his Modernist ilk the false prophets, therefore you don't have to obey and should warn others not to fall into their trap, yet you defend the very trap you warn others about.  How do you spell H Y P O C R I T E?

Your entire thought process and those who follow Fr. Feeney (also a false prophet) are constantly judging, not judging actions but the whereabouts of SOULS and their eternity. As a Catholic who was taught prior to Vatican II, one of the lessons, which is Biblical is never to judge the soul because only God alone knows who He has given grace, when, how, and why.  Yet you are so eager to place everyone who you and your ilk judges and believes in Hell, just because it seems to you who can not see their heart and soul are there just because you say so.  You totally discount the mercy of God, and how He works in the soul of another, all you can see is how the person, in your mind surely died without the grace of God.  You also constantly accuse those who are not in your mind-set of denying EENS, of which is totally erroneous on your part.  It is AGAIN YOUR POPE WHO DENIES THIS DOGMA.  Yet, you believe he is the Vicar of Christ.  This is what happens when you deny the approved catechism and make excuses for the false prophets that you follow.  Really screwed up!

You claim in the past that a sedevacantist is not Catholic because we in your erroneous way of thinking, you say we deny the Papacy and therefore deny the teaching that the gates of Hell will not prevail, yet by your not accepting the approved Catechism prior to Vatican II, are the ones who believe the gates of Hell has prevailed against the Church, since all the teachings for centuries have been wrong.  This is what you believe, not a True Catholic who has Faith and Trust in the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

Now you are going to post ... see you still haven't answered my question... blah, blah, but the point is as a Catholic it is not my place to say who is in hell, and why.

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I am not playing God, rather you are willfully blind to the point that you reference the NO catechism - that's pretty screwed up.................It is a very simple "yes or no" answer I am seeking here.

Blah blah blah blah

I ask for a simple yes or no answer, care to try again?

Sigh ... I told you so!  

Now you are going to post ... see you still haven't answered my question... blah, blah, but the point is as a Catholic it is not my place to say who is in hell, and why.