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Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2022, 10:01:54 PM »
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  • Interesting that anti-Pope Wojtyła was actually pretty good on moral issues and thwarted the modernists for almost 30 years. Now it's just a coming out party destroy. All that pent-up energy is coming out, and Bergolio is the ringleader.
    Oh yeah, sure, he only publicly promoted breaking the 1st commandment, but hey, at least he was good on the 6th and 9th. :facepalm:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #16 on: July 18, 2022, 10:11:00 PM »
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  • Oh yeah, sure, he only publicly promoted breaking the 1st commandment, but hey, at least he was good on the 6th and 9th. :facepalm:

    I mean abortion, contraception, divorce, the family, and other moral issues. Yes, whether you like it or not, he was solid on those issues.


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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #17 on: July 18, 2022, 10:31:03 PM »
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  • I mean abortion, contraception, divorce, the family, and other moral issues. Yes, whether you like it or not, he was solid on those issues.
    This is about to become a "Theology of the Body" thread in less than 2 pages lol

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #18 on: July 18, 2022, 10:58:44 PM »
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  • Oh yeah, sure, he only publicly promoted breaking the 1st commandment, but hey, at least he was good on the 6th and 9th. :facepalm:

    What he's actually saying is true though.  Wojtyla really held the line on moral theology in general.  And I believe that was part of the ruse.  People perceived him as a great defender of the faith because he (verbally) upheld Catholic moral teaching, and very strongly.  We are to pay no attention to the fact that he never DID anything about it.  But he snookered the conservative types into believing him an orthodox defender of the faith, a Saint even, a Great one.  That was so they'd be more inclined to buy into his religious indifferentism.  Wojtyla upheld moral theology (with the exception, as you point out, of the 1st commandment) in order to better enable him to destroy dogmatic theology.  And it was successful.  You listen to all the more conservative Conciliar types, and they could be as orthodox and Catholic on pretty much every point, but they have ALL imbibed Wojtyla's religious indifferentism.  Never before or since has there been a greater purveyor of religious indifferentism than "Saint" John Paul II "the Great".  Bergoglio's Pachamama episode looks like childsplay compared to the stuff Wojtyla did along those lines.  But now that nearly the entire world has imbibed religious indifferentism, including, alas, most Traditonal Catholics, they roll out Bergoglio to finish off what remains of Catholic moral theology, turning it all into subjectivism and moral relativism.  Wojtyla preached a philosophical subjectivism and relativism (his phenomenology), and now Bergoglio has been promoting moral subjectivism.  Thus all truth and all morality is defined by each man, and thus each man becomes his own god ... which is precisely the doctrine of Antichrist, as the Dimond brothers have pointed out so well.

    Bergoglio is doing this by claiming that the objective morality of the act gives way to the "internal forum".  So something that is objectively evil and sinful could be OK if the individual discerns that it's OK, i.e. says it is.  So each person becomes his own moral standard, his own god.

    So, while Wojtyla paid lip service to Traditional Catholic moral theology, he let errors against it run rampant and never did anything about it.  These pro-abortion politicians were never punished even in Wojtyla's day, but kept masquerading as devout Catholics and marching up to receive the Sacraments even back then.  Only one who was ever punished or excommunicated under Wojtyla was Archbishop Lefebvre.  Heck, even Hans Kung, a notorious heretic, was given a slap on the wrist.  He was not excommunicated, defrocked, suspended, or even prevented from teaching at a "Catholic" university.  He was simply not allowed to teach "Catholic" theology.  So he just moved to a different department and continued on spreading his heresy.  For all that Wojtyla promoted the "culture of life," Kung published a book promoting the acceptability of euthanasia ... and was never given more than a slap on the wrist.  Charles Curran, same thing, just prevented from teaching "Catholic" theology.  So they just renamed his classes, put him in a different department, and he carried on ... undoubtedly prancing up to NO "Holy Communion" as a devout Catholic (can't remember if he was still functioning as a priest).  Curran taught every abomination that Wojtyla allegedly condemned:  permissibility of birth control (openly dissented with HV), fornication, sodomy ... you name it, he was for it.  He was allowed to keep his position at "Catholic" University, and his tenure, but was merely stripped of his "license to teach CATHOLIC theology".  What a joke!

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #19 on: July 18, 2022, 11:05:55 PM »
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  • It's funny, isn't it? As long as he upholds the pee-pee Law, then they can dismiss his doctrine of Antichrist and his blasphemy. You point to Amoria Laetitia, you get outrage from the conservatives; but point to Assisi, or Redemptor Hominis, and you get hand-waving and redirection.

    It shows where their desires lie.
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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #20 on: July 18, 2022, 11:27:34 PM »
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  • Montini probably wanted to tell Catholics to go ahead and use contraceptives. He was likely advised that it was too much change at one time. First, they had to destroy the liturgy and how Catholics prayed, then they would work on morality.

    Interesting that anti-Pope Wojtyła was actually pretty good on moral issues and thwarted the modernists for almost 30 years. Now it's just a coming out party destroy. All that pent-up energy is coming out, and Bergolio is the ringleader.

    The impression I got was that Paul/Montini was trying to find some way clear to approve ABC --- he kept everybody hanging for several years --- but, for whatever reason, he just couldn't find a way to do that, and remain consonant with traditional Catholic moral theology,  So he promulgated HV, and made a very good case for its being a transgression of the natural law --- kind of like "strip away every other objection, and you're left with this" --- and in so doing actually making the doctrine more defensible.  It is crystal-clear, but it is not what the world wanted to hear.

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #21 on: July 18, 2022, 11:29:40 PM »
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  • What he's actually saying is true though.  Wojtyla really held the line on moral theology in general.  And I believe that was part of the ruse.  People perceived him as a great defender of the faith because he (verbally) upheld Catholic moral teaching, and very strongly.  We are to pay no attention to the fact that he never DID anything about it. But he snookered the conservative types into believing him an orthodox defender of the faith, a Saint even, a Great one.  That was so they'd be more inclined to buy into his religious indifferentism.  Wojtyla upheld moral theology (with the exception, as you point out, of the 1st commandment) in order to better enable him to destroy dogmatic theology.  And it was successful.  You listen to all the more conservative Conciliar types, and they could be as orthodox and Catholic on pretty much every point, but they have ALL imbibed Wojtyla's religious indifferentism.  Never before or since has there been a greater purveyor of religious indifferentism than "Saint" John Paul II "the Great".  Bergoglio's Pachamama episode looks like childsplay compared to the stuff Wojtyla did along those lines.  But now that nearly the entire world has imbibed religious indifferentism, including, alas, most Traditonal Catholics, they roll out Bergoglio to finish off what remains of Catholic moral theology, turning it all into subjectivism and moral relativism.  Wojtyla preached a philosophical subjectivism and relativism (his phenomenology), and now Bergoglio has been promoting moral subjectivism.  Thus all truth and all morality is defined by each man, and thus each man becomes his own god ... which is precisely the doctrine of Antichrist, as the Dimond brothers have pointed out so well.

    Bergoglio is doing this by claiming that the objective morality of the act gives way to the "internal forum".  So something that is objectively evil and sinful could be OK if the individual discerns that it's OK, i.e. says it is.  So each person becomes his own moral standard, his own god.

    So, while Wojtyla paid lip service to Traditional Catholic moral theology, he let errors against it run rampant and never did anything about it.  These pro-abortion politicians were never punished even in Wojtyla's day, but kept masquerading as devout Catholics and marching up to receive the Sacraments even back then.  Only one who was ever punished or excommunicated under Wojtyla was Archbishop Lefebvre.  Heck, even Hans Kung, a notorious heretic, was given a slap on the wrist.  He was not excommunicated, defrocked, suspended, or even prevented from teaching at a "Catholic" university.  He was simply not allowed to teach "Catholic" theology.  So he just moved to a different department and continued on spreading his heresy.  For all that Wojtyla promoted the "culture of life," Kung published a book promoting the acceptability of euthanasia ... and was never given more than a slap on the wrist.  Charles Curran, same thing, just prevented from teaching "Catholic" theology.  So they just renamed his classes, put him in a different department, and he carried on ... undoubtedly prancing up to NO "Holy Communion" as a devout Catholic (can't remember if he was still functioning as a priest).  Curran taught every abomination that Wojtyla allegedly condemned:  permissibility of birth control (openly dissented with HV), fornication, sodomy ... you name it, he was for it.  He was allowed to keep his position at "Catholic" University, and his tenure, but was merely stripped of his "license to teach CATHOLIC theology".  What a joke!

    Exactly. It's why the Neo-conservative loved Wojtyla. That and his opposition to communism. It did not matter to people like George Weigel if the liturgy was trashed if he slobbered all over the Koran or elevated homo predators up the episcopal ranks. If he(Wojtyla) fought the culture wars and was against communism, everything else was forgiven.

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #22 on: July 19, 2022, 02:08:13 AM »
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  • What he's actually saying is true though.  Wojtyla really held the line on moral theology in general.  And I believe that was part of the ruse.  People perceived him as a great defender of the faith because he (verbally) upheld Catholic moral teaching, and very strongly.  We are to pay no attention to the fact that he never DID anything about it.  But he snookered the conservative types into believing him an orthodox defender of the faith, a Saint even, a Great one.  That was so they'd be more inclined to buy into his religious indifferentism.  Wojtyla upheld moral theology (with the exception, as you point out, of the 1st commandment) in order to better enable him to destroy dogmatic theology.  And it was successful.  You listen to all the more conservative Conciliar types, and they could be as orthodox and Catholic on pretty much every point, but they have ALL imbibed Wojtyla's religious indifferentism.  Never before or since has there been a greater purveyor of religious indifferentism than "Saint" John Paul II "the Great".  Bergoglio's Pachamama episode looks like childsplay compared to the stuff Wojtyla did along those lines.  But now that nearly the entire world has imbibed religious indifferentism, including, alas, most Traditonal Catholics, they roll out Bergoglio to finish off what remains of Catholic moral theology, turning it all into subjectivism and moral relativism.  Wojtyla preached a philosophical subjectivism and relativism (his phenomenology), and now Bergoglio has been promoting moral subjectivism.  Thus all truth and all morality is defined by each man, and thus each man becomes his own god ... which is precisely the doctrine of Antichrist, as the Dimond brothers have pointed out so well.

    Bergoglio is doing this by claiming that the objective morality of the act gives way to the "internal forum".  So something that is objectively evil and sinful could be OK if the individual discerns that it's OK, i.e. says it is.  So each person becomes his own moral standard, his own god.

    So, while Wojtyla paid lip service to Traditional Catholic moral theology, he let errors against it run rampant and never did anything about it.  These pro-abortion politicians were never punished even in Wojtyla's day, but kept masquerading as devout Catholics and marching up to receive the Sacraments even back then.  Only one who was ever punished or excommunicated under Wojtyla was Archbishop Lefebvre.  Heck, even Hans Kung, a notorious heretic, was given a slap on the wrist.  He was not excommunicated, defrocked, suspended, or even prevented from teaching at a "Catholic" university.  He was simply not allowed to teach "Catholic" theology.  So he just moved to a different department and continued on spreading his heresy.  For all that Wojtyla promoted the "culture of life," Kung published a book promoting the acceptability of euthanasia ... and was never given more than a slap on the wrist.  Charles Curran, same thing, just prevented from teaching "Catholic" theology.  So they just renamed his classes, put him in a different department, and he carried on ... undoubtedly prancing up to NO "Holy Communion" as a devout Catholic (can't remember if he was still functioning as a priest).  Curran taught every abomination that Wojtyla allegedly condemned:  permissibility of birth control (openly dissented with HV), fornication, sodomy ... you name it, he was for it.  He was allowed to keep his position at "Catholic" University, and his tenure, but was merely stripped of his "license to teach CATHOLIC theology".  What a joke!
    He is the blueprint for Ratzinger; after all they both set up the Indult etc, I don't doubt there will be another "conservative" antipope in this vein at some point to contrast with Frankie.

    It seems elevating de Lubac and von Balthasar is really the "line in the sand" Wojtyla drew that conservatives didn't see at the time.
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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #23 on: July 19, 2022, 06:54:06 AM »
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  • Montini probably wanted to tell Catholics to go ahead and use contraceptives. He was likely advised that it was too much change at one time. First, they had to destroy the liturgy and how Catholics prayed, then they would work on morality.

    Interesting that anti-Pope Wojtyła was actually pretty good on moral issues and thwarted the modernists for almost 30 years. Now it's just a coming out party destroy. All that pent-up energy is coming out, and Bergolio is the ringleader.
    Actually Montini did change Church teaching in HV.  It speaks of the unitive and procreative aspects of the marital act equally rather than clearly teaching the traditional teaching that procreation is the primary end and the unitive aspect is merely the secondary.

    Louie V did a good job dealing with this here:

    https://akacatholic.com/humanae-vitae-the-problem-not-the-solution/

    But, to your point, yes, it makes sense that contraception is the next Modernist Morph.
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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #24 on: July 19, 2022, 07:04:14 AM »
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  • It's funny, isn't it? As long as he upholds the pee-pee Law, then they can dismiss his doctrine of Antichrist and his blasphemy. You point to Amoria Laetitia, you get outrage from the conservatives; but point to Assisi, or Redemptor Hominis, and you get hand-waving and redirection.

    It shows where their desires lie.
    Yes, because in my experience these "conservative" Novus Ordites are politically conservative.  And those issues [abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage, etc] are political issues in addition to moral issues.  Most conservative Novus Ordites defend religious freedom in keeping with Vatican II's religious indifferentism.  Again, a political issue.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #25 on: July 19, 2022, 07:50:27 AM »
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  • Yes, because in my experience these "conservative" Novus Ordites are politically conservative.  And those issues [abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage, etc] are political issues in addition to moral issues.  Most conservative Novus Ordites defend religious freedom in keeping with Vatican II's religious indifferentism.  Again, a political issue.
    "They are of the world: therefore of the world they speak, and the world heareth them."
    [1 John 4:5]
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #26 on: July 19, 2022, 08:01:08 AM »
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  • Attached is an in-depth study of the heretical docuмent Humanae Vitae which needs to be destroyed, albeit not for the reason Frankie will.

    In my mind the more heretical Bergoglio gets the better, so more people of good will can see he is a non-Catholic fraud. I mean Bergoglio already forced all the R&R people to call him a heretic so I can't really wish for more but God is generous.

    Honestly guys, chaos Frank is a blessing from God who wishes to make it abundantly clear that this guy is not the pope.

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #27 on: July 19, 2022, 09:46:07 AM »
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  • Right now, I'm having to ask myself "... and just how far would I have to drive, and how often could I get to Mass, if I would seek out only Masses that are not celebrated una cuм Francisco".

    People don't use contraceptives because of some prompting of "conscience".  They use them because they want to have sex.  Full stop.
    I agree, on both accounts.

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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #28 on: July 19, 2022, 12:26:47 PM »
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  • Perhaps God in His merciful Justice will send lightning down upon Bergolio when he hits Alberta soil later this month. Call it the Apology to the Indigenous Tour. He will be at pilgrimage site about 40 minutes away from me. Good time to pray for reparations for the evil being perpetrated by the Conciliar Church. 

    I might have said something along the lines of dropping a MOAB on the site, but then I would not be “vewwy nice but vewwy naughty” :facepalm: :pray:
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    Re: Bergolio to destroy Humanae Vitae
    « Reply #29 on: July 19, 2022, 12:48:44 PM »
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  • Perhaps God in His merciful Justice will send lightning down upon Bergolio when he hits Alberta soil later this month. Call it the Apology to the Indigenous Tour. He will be at pilgrimage site about 40 minutes away from me. Good time to pray for reparations for the evil being perpetrated by the Conciliar Church.

    I might have said something along the lines of dropping a MOAB on the site, but then I would not be “vewwy nice but vewwy naughty” :facepalm: :pray:
    God sent Bergoglio precisely because He is merciful. So all can see he is not the Pope.