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Luther stood before God as a Catholic priest
Luther was a Catholic?! Wow! The fruit of heresy is insanity! 

Which of the Divine Laws is being broken by having a heretical pope?

I presume what the canonist meant is that by Divine Law heretics are outside the Mystical Body, therefore the head of the Mystical Body could not be a non-member. The main point here is you think heretics are members of the Church. You reject one of the four marks of the Church, Unity. You need to read Satis Cognitum.

Do you realize that by calling Luther a "Catholic priest", you are saying he professes the true Faith?


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Abjuration


https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01044d.htm

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    A denial, disavowal, or renunciation under oath. In common ecclesiastical language this term is restricted to the renunciation of heresy made by the penitent heretic on the occasion of his reconciliation with the Church. The Church has always demanded such renunciation, accompanied by appropriate penance.



Abjuration  ►  Sacrament of penance

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
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The order of proceeding in a reconciliation is: first, abjuration of heresy or profession of faith; second, conditional baptism (this is given only when the heretical baptism is doubtful); third, sacramental confession and conditional absolution.

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The Abjuration of Heresy is used primarily for adult converts seeking to enter the Church prior to their baptism or conditional baptism. Otherwise, it is not a requirement - unless specifically required by the official censure itself, or the pope or bishop or confessor requires it. Look it up.

A public abjuration may (or may not) be the prudent thing to do, but it is not the law, nor is a public abjuration found anywhere in the sacrament of penance's formula for absolution. 


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Canon 731:


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§ 2. It is forbidden that the Sacraments of the Church be ministered to heretics and schismatics, even if they ask for them and are in good faith, unless beforehand, rejecting their errors, they are reconciled with the Church.


AKA abjuration.
This goes without saying.

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Luther was a Catholic?! Wow! The fruit of heresy is insanity!
That's right, not just a Catholic, a Catholic priest no less!


I presume what the canonist meant is that by Divine Law heretics are outside the Mystical Body, therefore the head of the Mystical Body could not be a non-member. The main point here is you think heretics are members of the Church. You reject one of the four marks of the Church, Unity. You need to read Satis Cognitum.

Do you realize that by calling Luther a "Catholic priest", you are saying he professes the true Faith?
Divine Law is law given to us directly from God Himself hence the name, "Divine Law", no one else is Divine, only God. Think 10 commandments. Hopefully you will remember this from now on.

In calling Luther a Catholic Priest, I am not saying he professed the true faith - the man was an abominable heretic. What I am doing is stating a fact of faith in virtue of the indelible character that the sacrament of holy orders imprints on the soul of all priests - and only on the souls of all priests. Even now that character remains - and will forever remain, marking him as having been a Catholic priest forever, which only adds to his suffering.

This is something 6 year old Catholic children are taught as part of their catechism, not sure what there is about it you cannot accept.