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Fallible opinions of clerics, like Fr. Wathen, do not override the pronouncements of a Pope or Council or the Magisterium. And looking for a deeper meaning in what the Church herself has dogmatically pronounced, such as heretics being OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH, I quote for the umpteenth time, is a heresy against Vatican I Session 3, 4.14:

Hence, too,that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.

Stubborn has already admitted that Francis and his predecessors are heretics, but since he KNOWS that this would mean they are illegitimate,  he tries to twist and distort papal teachings and IGNORES dogmatic declarations on heretics so he has a butt in the Chair of Peter, even if it belongs to an apostate and heretic. You may refer to my previous post where I quoted several ex cathedra pronouncements on the perilous state of heretics.

I do not DESIRE for a vacancy of the See, as Stubborn and co. wrongly assert. I WANT there to be a Pope, but humility and obedience to Catholic teaching shows that these men simply CANNOT BE POPES. I accept reality and the truth and do not need to twist or distort Magisterial, Papal and Conciliar teachings to reach that conclusion.

Absolutely unbelievable

DL, you’re right.  These people have lost the faith.  They’re manifest heretics outside the Church.  We’re no longer talking about material heresy here, since this error uproots the Magisterium as the proximate rule of faith, replacing it with their private judgment.  When heresy guts the formal motive of faith, it’s formal heresy.

It is not that I am right, its just a recognition of what the Church teaches, that their position is schismatic with their purported "Pope" and that their means of reaching the position is overtly heretical.

"The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of charity to shout: ‘Here is the wolf!’ when it enters the flock or anywhere else." -- Saint Francis de Sales

Fallible opinions of clerics, like Fr. Wathen, do not override the pronouncements of a Pope or Council or the Magisterium.

According to the position being advanced by Stubborn and now also Decem, barring a solemn definition, in theory, the works of Father Wathen and Papal Magisterium are of equal authority, since both only have authority in so far as they're in conformity with Tradition (as determined by Stubborn) ... which of course makes Stubborn the final authority.  That's in theory.  In point of fact, Father Wathen's works have greater authority than the post-v2 Magisterium because they're more in conformity with Tradition.

This is a joke, where teaching "authority" is not a priori but is a posteriori ... after it's approved by the discernment of Stubborn and Decem.