I read it, the whole refutation is based off the very first item, which is itself error.... "As we’ve already shown, it’s a dogma that 1) heretics are not members of the Church;"

Your rejection of that point is heresy in itself. Proving you don't even know what you're talking about.

Pope Innocent IV, First Council of Lyons, 1245: “The civil law declares that those are to be regarded as heretics, and ought to be subject to the sentences issued against them, who even on slight evidence are found to have strayed from the judgment and path of the Catholic religion.”

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 3), June 29, 1896: “You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held.”

(#9)
“The practice of the Church has always been the same, and that with the consenting judgment [i.e. consensus] of the holy fathers who certainly were accustomed to hold as having no part of Catholic communion and as banished from the Church whoever had departed in even the least way from the doctrine proposed by the authentic Magisterium.”

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 23), June 29, 1943: “For not every offense, although it may be a grave evil, is such as by its very own nature [suapte natura] to sever a man from the Body of the Church [ab Ecclesiae Corpore], as does schism or heresy or apostasy.”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull "Cantate Domino," 1441, ex cathedra: “It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all thinking opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.”

Canon 1325.2: “After the reception of baptism, if anyone, retaining the name Christian, pertinaciously denies or doubts something to be believed from the truth of divine and Catholic faith, [such a one is] a heretic; if he completely turns away from the Christian faith, [such a one is] an apostate; if finally he refuses to be under the Supreme Pontiff or refuses communion with the members of the Church subject to him, he is a schismatic.”

How is this error? Do you believe heretics can be members of the Church?

I answered you in this post:

Catholics who are bad willed heretics are guilty of mortal sin because they deny a dogma or dogmas. To be forgiven of this sin of heresy, the penitent must go to confession and receive absolution from the priest for this  sin. Depending on the culpability and gravity of the sin, the nature of this sin makes this more unlikely to happen than with other mortal sins.

Your rejection of that point is heresy in itself. Proving you don't even know what you're talking about.

Pope Innocent IV, First Council of Lyons, 1245: “The civil law declares that those are to be regarded as heretics, and ought to be subject to the sentences issued against them, who even on slight evidence are found to have strayed from the judgment and path of the Catholic religion.”

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 3), June 29, 1896: “You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held.”

(#9)
 “The practice of the Church has always been the same, and that with the consenting judgment [i.e. consensus] of the holy fathers who certainly were accustomed to hold as having no part of Catholic communion and as banished from the Church whoever had departed in even the least way from the doctrine proposed by the authentic Magisterium.”

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 23), June 29, 1943: “For not every offense, although it may be a grave evil, is such as by its very own nature [suapte natura] to sever a man from the Body of the Church [ab Ecclesiae Corpore], as does schism or heresy or apostasy.”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull "Cantate Domino," 1441, ex cathedra: “It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all thinking opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.”

Canon 1325.2: “After the reception of baptism, if anyone, retaining the name Christian, pertinaciously denies or doubts something to be believed from the truth of divine and Catholic faith, [such a one is] a heretic; if he completely turns away from the Christian faith, [such a one is] an apostate; if finally he refuses to be under the Supreme Pontiff or refuses communion with the members of the Church subject to him, he is a schismatic.”

Sorry DL, it is you who do not know what you are talking about. As for me personally, I absolutely, completely and 100% agree, and submit too and with all the above teachings (except #9 Satis Cognitum, see below), and would have bolded the same text if I would have posted them.

Not sure where you got #9 Satis Cognitum from, that is a bad quote as it does appear that way in any version of Satis Cognitum that I can find  - -did you get it from the Dimonds? They've always been notorious for purposely misquoting so as to suit their narrative.

I can only find this for #9: "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium."

As for #3 Satis Cognitum, the pope(s) fully believes that he teaches the faith of Rome.

Heretics are already considered bad-willed because of their heresy. If you're stretching "material heresy" beyond merely error on the part of an otherwise good-willed Catholic, then you are just wrong.

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Pope Innocent IV, First Council of Lyons, 1245:
“The civil law declares that those are to be regarded as heretics, and ought to be subject to the sentences issued against them, who even on slight evidence are found to have strayed from the judgment and path of the Catholic religion.”

Of course ALL those who who preach contrary to Catholic doctrine, regardless of who is doing the preaching are absolutely and certainly to be regarded as heretics - no sense arguing that point further since we all agree with this truth. Ok?

The issue is not who is a heretic because presumably, we all agree the that all of the conciliar popes were all heretics, including the current pope, pope Francis.

Of course ALL those who who preach contrary to Catholic doctrine, regardless of who is doing the preaching are absolutely and certainly to be regarded as heretics - no sense arguing that point further since we all agree with this truth. Ok?

The issue is not who is a heretic because presumably, we all agree the that all of the conciliar popes were all heretics, including the current pope, pope Francis.

Yes, so tell me then, if Francis is a heretic, how can he hold ANY office IN the Church if he is outside the body?
How can he COMMAND in the Church if he is outside of it? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum)

Where did you get that quote? That's the question. 

From MHFM, I'm drawing from the links I provided earlier in the thread. Again, just because they use a different translation (or even maybe translated it themselves) does not change the fact that they say the same exact thing.

You are wrong on both accounts. I will attempt to explain....

My presumption is that since you quoted Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 23), you agree that:
Heresy is a mortal sin. 

We know that all mortal sin severs from the Church, i.e adultery, murder, pride, and so on - but as PPXII said, due to it's nature, none sever like the mortal sin of heresy, (and apostacy and schism). Pope Pius XII is talking about the nature of the sin. Obviously you will agree the nature of the sin of heresy makes this sin the worst or among the worst.

The Church always calls upon all of her children to confess their mortal sins, do penance and amend their life.

For the Catholic who has fallen into mortal sin, (in this case the mortal sin of heresy), like all Catholics, he can receive the Sacrament of Penance and his mortal sin of heresy will be forgiven. Certainly the Catholic who fell into the mortal sin of heresy is in a much more serious spiritual condition than the Catholic who is in the state of lesser mortal sin, but neither is in the woeful condition of those who are outside the Church for the simple fact that one who is not a Catholic cannot receive the Sacraments.

I completely realize this truth is contrary to what sedes think, and in order to maintain your deep seated belief, you will need to deny the above truth - so let's hear it.

edit to add....I will be back later, real life is calling.

Wow, I am utterly astounded at your attempt to skirt around the issue here. The problem is not that heretics cannot repent and go to confession, but pertinacious heretics (those without any repentance whatsoever, such as your "Popes") because they believe they are right (like yourself) remain firmly outside of the Church and lose all office and authority as has been shown thousands of times.

Your "Popes" remain pertinacious and therefore outside of the sheepfold, therefore, again, cannot command or possess any Catholic office.

By your explanation Lutherans, Calivinists, Methodists, Eastern "Orthodox" et all are Catholics because they can renounce their heresy and return to the Church. Which is literally what the Modernist heretics teach.

Your anti-logic also implies that schismatics and apostates, who have been baptized (as only the baptized can be heretics, apostates and schismatics), cannot repent and enter the Church as well. Your point doesn't make sense because you're being entirely dishonest and don't have the truth.

Wow, I am utterly astounded at your attempt to skirt around the issue here.

That's not doing it justice.  He tries to warp Pius XII into saying the exact opposite of what he actually taught.

Wow, I am utterly astounded at your attempt to skirt around the issue here. The problem is not that heretics cannot repent and go to confession, but pertinacious heretics (those without any repentance whatsoever, such as your "Popes") because they believe they are right (like yourself) remain firmly outside of the Church and lose all office and authority as has been shown thousands of times.

Your "Popes" remain pertinacious and therefore outside of the sheepfold, therefore, again, cannot command or possess any Catholic office.

By your explanation Lutherans, Calivinists, Methodists, Eastern "Orthodox" et all are Catholics because they can renounce their heresy and return to the Church. Which is literally what the Modernist heretics teach.

No, I am not skirting around the issue, I am merely pointing out your errors, errors which you rely on to support your narrative.

First you said  "heretics are outside of the Church. They are not Catholics." This is false as I just showed you - and apparently you now agree? - because now you just said above: "The problem is not that heretics cannot repent and go to confession..."

If they've never had the faith, then Lutherans, Calivinists, Methodists, Eastern "Orthodox" et all are *not* Catholics, so no, they are not permitted to go to confession because those heretics are outside of the Church.

So knowing that only Catholics can use the sacrament of confession, can Catholics guilty of the mortal sin of heresy and want to repent go to confession or not? 

Your anti-logic also implies that schismatics and apostates, who have been baptized (as only the baptized can be heretics, apostates and schismatics), cannot repent and enter the Church as well. Your point doesn't make sense because you're being entirely dishonest and don't have the truth.

Again, you are off the mark. It is the Church's logic that says one who is Catholic - which of course means one who is baptized and believes all the Church teaches and believes in the Church - and who commits the mortal sins of heresy will be forgiven of those sins in the Sacrament of Penance if he wants to repent of those sins. Indeed,  the Church urges all Catholics who fall into whatever mortal sin, including the sin of heresy, to get to confession because they must go to confession if they want to repent and be forgiven.

The problem is, as PPXII said, the nature of the sins of heresy. Due to the nature of this sin it will be very unlikely for the heretic to even think about seeking forgiveness.

This is just basic Catholic truth, if it does not make sense to you then the truth does not make sense to you.