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Author Topic: Bergolio says that there are many American Catholics who won’t accept Vatican II  (Read 45443 times)

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Yet again, the neo-Gallicans here deny proof when its right in their faces. No point in wasting my time on it anymore.
Yep...just check out the smart aleck response from SJ. They're objective schismatics.

but it has nevertheless endowed its teachings with the authority of the supreme ordinary magisterium which ordinary and so clearly authentic magisterium must be accepted docilely and sincerely by all the faithful, according to the mind of the Council regarding the nature and purposes of the individual docuмents. - Paul VI, General Audience, January 12, 1966.

Note the equivocation:

On the one hand, it is the “supreme ordinary magisterium” (whatever that is).

A few words later, that phrase is modified by calling it “authentic magisterium,” which is by definition not infallible:

http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/infallible_magisterium.htm 

Not infallible in an extraordinary,solemn manner, but according to the Supreme Ordinary Magisterium:

Finally, and also by definition, nothing can be part of the ordinary magisterium which lacks universality (both geographically and temporally). 

To deny this is to suggest that novelty can be magisterial.


Yet again, the neo-Gallicans here deny proof when its right in their faces. No point in wasting my time on it anymore.

You mean like the proof you had of Cardinal Newman allegedly denying revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, per the Diamond bro’s (meaning what you frequently take for proof that s nothing of the sort)?

Yep...just check out the smart aleck response from SJ. They're objective schismatics.

Oh?

My comment may contain irony, since it turned your rebuttal against you, but it is also perfectly accurate: No Pope can claim infallible status through the ordinary magisterium for a novelty:

“Thus the truth that is taught must be proposed as already defined, or as what has always been believed or accepted in the Church, or attested by the unanimous and constant agreement of theologians as being a Catholic truth [which is therefore] strictly obligatory for all the faithful." ("Infaillibilite du Pape", DTC, vol. VII, col. 1705)”

https://sspx.org/en/clear-ideas-popes-infallible-magisterium

Obviously, teachings which fail this test can hardly lay claim to infallibility

PS: The article containing the quote is outstanding.

This is actually not true.  But even if it were, why should we believe the same people who gave us Vatican II in the first place?
What's not true?