Author Topic: Bergolio says that there are many American Catholics who won’t accept Vatican II (Read 46116 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #95 on:** June 17, 2022, 01:30:56 PM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on June 17, 2022, 01:01:33 PM

I don’t know, maybe you should read what the Popes themselves said about the Magisterium. And I will include all true Popes up to Pius XII here because I, unlike you, believe that their teaching on the Magisterium was consistent.

The only reason many of you are having trouble with this is because you're following blind guides, false teachers and the opinions of fallible theologians.

We're not the ones following blind guides.

The quotes you posted are beautiful. They are one and all, talking about teachings, not the pope.

Pope Pius IX clearly articulated what the Magisterium is in Tuas Libenter: "...all that has been handed down as divinely revealed by the ordinary teaching authority of the entire Church spread over the whole world, and which, for this reason, Catholic theologians, with a universal and constant consent, regard as being of the faith."

DecemRationis · « **Reply #96 on:** June 17, 2022, 01:32:32 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 17, 2022, 12:40:45 PM

I don't totally agree with Decem, for the record. I forget what we disagreed with but i'm not defending him 100%.

Don't worry too much about being identified with me, I'm sure the Lord won't hold it against you.

But tell me, Pax: who around here do you agree with on everything?

Stubborn · « **Reply #97 on:** June 17, 2022, 01:33:16 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 17, 2022, 01:12:11 PM

In principle, sadly, these V2 papal claimants are more Catholic than many of the modern R&R. This notion of the Holy Spirit guiding the Church has been the constant teaching of the Church, from the Fathers, Doctors, theologians, etc. Montini is right. Often the enemies of the faith know the principles of the faith better than Catholics.

What happened to your faith?

The Holy Ghost does guide the Church, always has, always will - the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #98 on:** June 17, 2022, 01:34:34 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn on June 17, 2022, 01:33:16 PM

What happened to your faith?

The Holy Ghost does guide the Church, always has, always will - the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church.

Your brain it too wrecked to realize that YOU are the one who denies this, or, rather, the implications of this, i.e. that the Church cannot become converted into a wrecker of souls. Your heretical R&R position invariably leads to insanty.

Stubborn · « **Reply #99 on:** June 17, 2022, 01:38:49 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 17, 2022, 01:34:34 PM

Your brain it too wrecked to realize that YOU are the one who denies this, or, rather, the implications of this, i.e. that the Church cannot become converted into a wrecker of souls. Your heretical R&R position invariably leads to insanty.

Not so Lad, I would likely think like you, if like you, I viewed everything from behind or around an empty chair.

I just told you the Holy Ghost does and always will guide the Church - yet you say I deny it. You're the one with a sanity problem, not me.

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