Author Topic: Bergolio says that there are many American Catholics who won’t accept Vatican II (Read 45529 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #265 on:** June 21, 2022, 10:55:51 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 21, 2022, 10:24:52 AM

What are you babbling about? If someone needs to "convert" in addition to having the Baptismal character, that means that the Baptismal character doesn't suffice to retain membership in the Church as a consequence of heresy or schism.

I gather that you do not see any difference whatsoever between a Catholic who falls into the sin of heresy, and one who never had the Catholic faith being a heretic. Do I have that right?

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #266 on:** June 21, 2022, 10:56:05 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on June 21, 2022, 09:34:03 AM

Have you ever heard of the word "Convert?"

What do you suppose it means?

What I, or anyone else, supposes it means doesn't matter. What the Church teaches matters, and you've rejected that whole cloth by making up your own definition of the state of heretics and now you're trying to make up your own definition of conversion. This subterfuge to get your way is the mark of heresy The Council of Florence was clear, Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis was clear, as were all of the Papal and Magisterial teachings I've been quoting.

In all charity, you're a liar, a deceiver and a heretic.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #267 on:** June 21, 2022, 11:07:14 AM »

From Denzinger (in case you want to try the whole "Dimondite" fallacy again):

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Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, Dec. 18, 1208:
“By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics,
but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no
one is saved.”

Stubborn · « **Reply #268 on:** June 21, 2022, 11:22:48 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on June 21, 2022, 10:56:05 AM

What I, or anyone else, supposes it means doesn't matter. What the Church teaches matters, and you've rejected that whole cloth by making up your own definition of the state of heretics and now you're trying to make up your own definition of conversion. This subterfuge to get your way is the mark of heresy The Council of Florence was clear, Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis was clear, as were all of the Papal and Magisterial teachings I've been quoting.

In all charity, you're a liar, a deceiver and a heretic.

What is it with sedes never answering the question? smh

Quote from: DigitalLogos on June 21, 2022, 11:07:14 AM

From Denzinger (in case you want to try the whole "Dimondite" fallacy again):

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Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, Dec. 18, 1208:
“By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics,
but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside of which we believe that no
one is saved.”6

Beautiful quote! Also, I would love to read the rest of Eius Exemplo but can't find it - do you have it?

Apparently you think a heretic pope makes the Catholic Church a Church of heretics. Got it.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #269 on:** June 21, 2022, 11:34:50 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on June 21, 2022, 11:22:48 AM

Beautiful quote! Also, I would love to read the rest of Eius Exemplo but can't find it - do you have it?

Apparently you think a heretic pope makes the Catholic Church a Church of heretics. Got it.

Indeed it is beautiful, yet the discussion is not about the beauty of the quote but its truth that heretics are not part of the Church. They are outside of it. A truth which you obstinate deny.

Denzinger, Sources of Catholic Dogma, 13th ed., no. 423, pg. 167
https://u1lib.org/book/14465091/e4a377

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