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Bergolio is a sly fox Theophany
« on: February 10, 2014, 03:04:54 PM »
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  • Theophany, from the Ancient Greek (ἡ) θεοφάνεια (theophaneia,[1] meaning "appearance of god"), refers to the appearance of a deity to a human or other being.[2][3][4]
    This term has been used to refer to appearances of the gods in the ancient Greek and Near Eastern religions. While the Iliad is the earliest source for descriptions of theophanies in the Classical tradition (and they occur throughout Greek mythology), probably the earliest description of a theophany is in the Epic of Gilgamesh.[5]
    The term theophany has acquired a specific usage for Christians and Jєωs with respect to the Bible: It refers to the manifestation of God to man; the sensible sign by which the presence of God is revealed. Only a small number of theophanies are found in the Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament.

    Don't forget the Priest.....

    Pope Francis invites to live the mystery of God's presence in the Mass

    Vatican City, 10 February 2014: Pope Francis invited all to ‘rediscover the sense of the sacred, the mystery of the real presence of God in the Mass’. His invitation came during his homily at Mass on Monday morning in the chapel of Casa Santa Marta in the Vatican.

    The first reading of the day described the theophany of God in the days of King Solomon. The Lord descended as a cloud on the Temple, which was filled with the glory of God. The Lord speaks to his people in many ways: through the prophets, the priests, the Holy Scripture, said the Pope. The theophany speaks in another way, "different from the Word: it is closer, without mediation. His presence, said the Pope, happens in the liturgical celebration. The liturgical celebration is not just a social act of gathering of believers to pray together. In the liturgy, God is present, and we ‘participate in this theophany, in this mystery of the Lord's presence among us."

    Nativity scenes, the Way of the Cross... these are representations. The Mass, on the other hand, “is a real commemoration, that is, it is a theophany: God approaches and is with us, and we participate in the mystery of the Redemption.” Unfortunately, too often we look at the clock during Mass, “counting the minute.” This, the Pope said, is not the attitude the liturgy requires of us: the liturgy is God’s time, God’s space, and we must place ourselves there, in God’s time, in God’s space, and not look at the clock”.

    The Pope recalled that, as a child, during the preparation for his First Holy Communion, there was a song that conveyed how the altar was guarded by angels to give "a sense of the glory of God, of God’s space, of God’s time’. And when, during rehearsals, they brought the hosts, said to the children: "Look, these are not the ones you will receive; these count nothing, because they have to be consecrated." Thus, the Pope concluded "to celebrate the liturgy is to have this willingness to enter into the mystery of God."
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    Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/02/10/pope_francis_invites_to_live_the_mystery_of_gods_presence_in_the_mass/in2-771944
    of the Vatican Radio website


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    Bergolio is a sly fox Theophany
    « Reply #1 on: February 10, 2014, 03:29:12 PM »
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  • Theophany

    A direct communication or appearance by God to human beings. Instances: God confronting Adam and Eve after their disobedience (Genesis 3:8); God appearing to Moses out of a burning bush (Exodus 3:2-6); Abraham pleading with Yahweh to be merciful to Sodomites (Genesis 18:23). These theophanies were temproary manifestations. They were not like the Incarnation, which, though it began in time, will continue for all eternity. (Etym. Latin theophania; from Greek theophaneia: Theo-, God + phainein, to show.)

    So is he representing that God is present not by the sacrafice inpersonachristi by the Priest,but by some Theophany.....which all the evangelical churchs and Protestants preach.


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    Bergolio is a sly fox Theophany
    « Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 08:29:48 PM »
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  • I'm honestly a bit aghast that even said that God is present in the Holy Eucharist...
    Hearing anything that's even vaguely Catholic coming from him is a bit of a shocker, but here he is reaffirming the Real Presence of God... :stare:
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    Bergolio is a sly fox Theophany
    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 09:08:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    I'm honestly a bit aghast that even said that God is present in the Holy Eucharist...
    Hearing anything that's even vaguely Catholic coming from him is a bit of a shocker, but here he is reaffirming the Real Presence of God... :stare:


    I am probably ignorant,but he and his buddies come up with new and novel ways to explain teaching and they mix old experiences with weird terminology that actually are different in context of what they describe.

    How come everything out of his mouth I interpret as a possible deception. I guess I'm not too savy.

    Something like Satan would do or a Jesuit that Bergolio is.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 09:23:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: fast777
    Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    I'm honestly a bit aghast that even said that God is present in the Holy Eucharist...
    Hearing anything that's even vaguely Catholic coming from him is a bit of a shocker, but here he is reaffirming the Real Presence of God... :stare:


    I am probably ignorant,but he and his buddies come up with new and novel ways to explain teaching and they mix old experiences with weird terminology that actually are different in context of what they describe.

    How come everything out of his mouth I interpret as a possible deception. I guess I'm not too savy.

    Something like Satan would do or a Jesuit that Bergolio is.


    I understand...Jesuits can be slippery...

    I think its called double talk or new-speak, from 1984, where the meaning of the vocabulary is slowly changed over time so that it means something completely different...if I'm remembering correctly.

    I was just shocked that he believed, or gives the impression that he believes, in the Real Presence. I thought to vat-prots had done away with that.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."


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    « Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 09:31:38 PM »
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    I'm honestly a bit aghast that even said that God is present in the Holy Eucharist...
    Hearing anything that's even vaguely Catholic coming from him is a bit of a shocker, but here he is reaffirming the Real Presence of God... :stare:


    I am probably ignorant,but he and his buddies come up with new and novel ways to explain teaching and they mix old experiences with weird terminology that actually are different in context of what they describe.

    How come everything out of his mouth I interpret as a possible deception. I guess I'm not too savy.

    Something like Satan would do or a Jesuit that Bergolio is.


    I understand...Jesuits can be slippery...

    I think its called double talk or new-speak, from 1984, where the meaning of the vocabulary is slowly changed over time so that it means something completely different...if I'm remembering correctly.

    I was just shocked that he believed, or gives the impression that he believes, in the Real Presence. I thought to vat-prots had done away with that.


    I guess if you are grounded in the old way...it tends to be newspeak because it is exactly that. Bergolio is talking about the New Church and it's new theology....dumb me....I should remember that and interpret accordingly.

    Btw that a old testament term......Bergolio is the first Pope to ever use that term in light of the new testament.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 11:25:10 PM »
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  • Let the Marxist language subversion begin!

    "But if thought can corrupt language, language can also corrupt thought"
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #7 on: February 11, 2014, 03:12:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: fast777

    I guess if you are grounded in the old way...it tends to be newspeak because it is exactly that. Bergolio is talking about the New Church and it's new theology....dumb me....I should remember that and interpret accordingly.

    Btw that a old testament term......Bergolio is the first Pope to ever use that term in light of the new testament.



    Are you trying to say "that's an Old Testament term?"  

    Are you referring to "theophany?"  

    I'm not entirely sure whether any popes have used the term, but it has been applied, and with good reason, to a mystical vision that Sister Lucia of the Immaculate Conception and the Child Jesus had in Tuy, Spain, in 1929.  Maybe you've never heard about it.  It was the first recorded manifestation of the Blessed Trinity in history, which also included the Blessed Virgin Mary standing nearby, and Our Lord in the act of His Crucifixion.  The Holy Ghost is shown as a radiant dove above the head of the Cross, and God the Father as an older man amidst clouds, above the Holy Ghost.

    Here is one artist's conception of it:





    ..and another:




    As I recall, Sr. Lucia saw the words "GRATIA ET MISERICORDIA" in the  letters flowing from under Our Lord's left hand, that is, in Latin.


    If you check Internet images for "theophany" you get numerous examples, many of which depict the Baptism of Our Lord in the Jordan river:












    Therefore, obviously, there is nothing "new" about using the term "theophany" in regards to a depiction of Our Lord Jesus Christ in our world together with the Holy Ghost and the Father in heaven.  

    IMHO, there are a lot of things to worry about in regards to Pope Francis, but this is not one of them.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 11, 2014, 12:54:18 PM »
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  • Thanks for the education. I had just never heard the ACT of consecration described that way when in the context of the Holy Mass.

    Since it(Theophany) has been used by Pagans and Jєωs,now they can more fully be part of the New Church.