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Offline Meg

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Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2019, 12:36:28 PM »
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  • It seems to me that Francis is having a bit of fun at the laity's expense. It's like he's enjoying playing a practical joke on those who try to kiss his ring. Notice the smile on his face as he pulls back his hand. 

    I read on another website this morning which reported that Francis allowed the religious (who were in attendance that day) to kiss his ring - it was only the laity with whom he pulled back his hand. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #16 on: March 27, 2019, 02:42:12 PM »
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  • It looks digitally edited, repeating the same hand pull. 
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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #17 on: March 28, 2019, 01:11:07 AM »
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  • It looks digitally edited, repeating the same hand pull.
    Really? Not to me!
    "Official Vatican TV footage shows that Francis stood in a receiving line for around 13 minutes and received (by my count) at least 113 monks, nuns, and parishioners — either individually or in pairs.
    No one appeared to offer any instruction on how to greet him. During the first 10 minutes, 14 people shook Francis’s hand without bowing down to kiss his ring.
    In this time, 41 people bowed down towards Francis’ hands, either making the symbolic gesture of kissing his ring, or actually kissing the ring itself.
    Protocols evolve and changes can be confusing, especially when most people only meet a reigning monarch (or pope) once in their lives. As we have seen in the past few days, old habits die hard, even when the pope is trying to keep the receiving line moving. So while Pope Francis might not be a fan of hand and ring kissing, he is actually following the lead of John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
    Before the Second Vatican Council, it was customary in most countries for both priests and laity to kiss a bishop’s ring upon greeting him as a sign of respect and obedience. But times change, and the gesture can also be seen as furthering clericalism and ties to temporal power. Both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI before him have tried to discourage the practice when the pope is receiving visitors, and Francis was resistant to the practice when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires as well."
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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #18 on: March 28, 2019, 08:53:47 AM »
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  • It seems to me that Francis is having a bit of fun at the laity's expense. It's like he's enjoying playing a practical joke on those who try to kiss his ring. Notice the smile on his face as he pulls back his hand.

    I read on another website this morning which reported that Francis allowed the religious (who were in attendance that day) to kiss his ring - it was only the laity with whom he pulled back his hand.

    Well, the smile I detected was one of awkward embarrassment, and not of good humor.

    If anything it's more important to communicate proper attitudes of reverence to the laity than to religious.

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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #19 on: March 29, 2019, 04:51:45 AM »
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  • It looks digitally edited, repeating the same hand pull.
    No need to get huffy about my comment, for it does look digitally edited. That was just an observance of mine. If it is totally real, then it looks like he is possessed or mentally handicapped. In the very least, he made of fool of himself. That is why I call him the Payaso "Pope". 
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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #20 on: March 29, 2019, 06:04:29 AM »
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  • Really? Not to me!
    "Official Vatican TV footage shows that Francis stood in a receiving line for around 13 minutes and received (by my count) at least 113 monks, nuns, and parishioners — either individually or in pairs.
    No one appeared to offer any instruction on how to greet him. During the first 10 minutes, 14 people shook Francis’s hand without bowing down to kiss his ring.
    In this time, 41 people bowed down towards Francis’ hands, either making the symbolic gesture of kissing his ring, or actually kissing the ring itself.
    Protocols evolve and changes can be confusing, especially when most people only meet a reigning monarch (or pope) once in their lives. As we have seen in the past few days, old habits die hard, even when the pope is trying to keep the receiving line moving. So while Pope Francis might not be a fan of hand and ring kissing, he is actually following the lead of John Paul II and Benedict XVI.
    Before the Second Vatican Council, it was customary in most countries for both priests and laity to kiss a bishop’s ring upon greeting him as a sign of respect and obedience. But times change, and the gesture can also be seen as furthering clericalism and ties to temporal power. Both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI before him have tried to discourage the practice when the pope is receiving visitors, and Francis was resistant to the practice when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires as well."

    I agree.  

    It does not look digitally edited to me.

    I think what is leading some to conclude this (other than the plain scandal of a Pope refusing to have his ring kissed) is the awkwardness of the Pope physically dodging various attempts and struggling to keep his hand free.

    What a joke.

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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #21 on: March 29, 2019, 06:11:59 AM »
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  • I keep telling you, he is practicing for a cowboy movie he will make soon called 'The Fastest draw alive.'

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/disturbing-video-pope-francis

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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #22 on: April 03, 2019, 10:09:36 PM »
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  • http://stumblingblock.org/?p=13677


    IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH FRANCIS’S HAND?
    by fgwalkers@att.net 



    Canon212 reader noticed a ‘severe disfigurement’ on Francis’s right hand in a picture of Francis and his joyous assembled propaganda youth.  If you click the photo it expands and you can see his hand is sort of covered in lumps:



    Here is a closer look:



    It resembles a pox or a plague.  This picture is some months old.  Francis’s right hand looks normal in the hand-snatching, ring-kissing video, but perhaps this has something to do with it.
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #23 on: April 04, 2019, 04:01:34 PM »
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  • The tradition to kiss the hand of a priest, bishop, or the pope stems from the fact that the priest, bishop, and pope all celebrate the Sacred Mysteries and hold the precious Holy Eucharist in their hands. Their hands are consecrated for this purpose. Therefore, whenever we kiss the ring-bearing finger or right hand, we are acknowledging that they offer the Holy Eucharist to us.

    Perhaps a novus ordo bishop or pope who discourages people from kissing his ring is announcing that he cannot offer the Holy Eucharist any more.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Bergoglio has an issue with his ring!
    « Reply #24 on: April 04, 2019, 04:10:52 PM »
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  • Interesting.  Yeah, maybe his hand is infected with something and he didn't want people putting their lips to it.  You would think, though, that he would not in that case have let them touch his hand with theirs either.