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"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2019, 10:40:57 AM »
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  •  :facepalm:

    It's just an expression of honor, just like former Presidents are often addressed as "Mr. President" by the media even after they have already left office.


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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #2 on: February 02, 2019, 10:45:16 AM »
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  • Veri Catholici‏ 
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    Bergoglio called Benedict "Pope Benedict XVI".... a thing impossible if he had resigned the petrine munus....

    https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1091723266337710080
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 10:49:52 AM »
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  • When exactly has Bergoglio been known for being precise in his use of language?

    Give this stupidity a rest.  Ratzinger is every bit as heretical as Bergoglio.

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 10:52:06 AM »
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  • :facepalm:

    It's just an expression of honor, just like former Presidents are often addressed as "Mr. President" by the media even after they have already left office.
    "after they have already left office"

    Except Benedict didn't leave it.

    Why are you even bothering to pay attention anyway? I don't bother you guys (your sede viewpoint).
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #5 on: February 02, 2019, 11:07:43 AM »
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  •  :jester:
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 11:20:47 AM »
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  • Except Benedict didn't leave it.

    Begging the question.

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 11:21:26 AM »
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  • Why are you even bothering to pay attention anyway? I don't bother you guys (your sede viewpoint).

    You post things on a discussion forum and then expect no one to challenge them?


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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 11:24:09 AM »
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  • First it was that Benedict never really resigned (even though he could not have used clearer language in his resignation ... said he was leaving the See vacant so that another Pope would need to be elected in conclave).

    Now it's that he was pressured or forced into resigning.  But he explicitly dismissed this in public.  So we have absolutely nothing to go on except pure speculation.

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2019, 02:36:49 PM »
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  • To the folks who think this idea solves the Pope Francis issue: if Benedict has been Pope the whole time, wouldn't that make him completely responsible for every single act of a man he knows full well is not speaking for him or the Church? Wouldn't that make him complicit when he effusively thanks his successor and praises his "goodness?", talks about "transubstantiation of the world?" How does fear for his life possibly account for this? In the process of trying to avoid Francis, you are creating the single worst spineless worm of an anti-martyr in all of Church history.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #10 on: February 02, 2019, 03:42:19 PM »
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  • If Pope Francis is evil enough to knowingly pose as the Pope and leave the real one in exile, why would he drop little hints for cunning sleuths like you? 


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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2019, 05:33:29 PM »
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  • B16 not only resigned, he confirmed he had resigned of his own free will, 11 months later, and said it was valid and speculation was "absurd".

    What does a man need to do to convince you?  What better evidence could exist than the first hand testimony of the subject himself?

    http://www.lastampa.it/2014/02/25/vaticaninsider/ratzinger-my-resignation-is-valid-speculations-are-simply-absurd-nM4DttQk4owMXqUzr4GRWO/pagina.html

    Yes he might be lying, but once he confirms the above, speculation seems futile.  You will simply never know with greater certainty this side of your death.

    Were you to find a written letter, a will, dying confession you could claim these were forgeries, or he had lost his marbles as he neared the end.  That would be more believable than ignoring the man's own lucid first hand testimony when he was alive.

    Life is increasingly becoming like a Monty Python sketch.

    "I am not the Pope".

    "Well I say you are Holy Father, and I should know, I've followed a few"

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2019, 03:26:27 AM »
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  • You post things on a discussion forum and then expect no one to challenge them?

    When someone says "Give this stupidity a rest", that pretty much tells me the person is wanting me to shut up, so I don't exactly see how you were honestly offering a challenge. Sure, you repeated a few of the typical arguments you have before, as did others (which I have already addressed in various threads); but at a certain point, when you know two people are not on the same page (with a high probability of never changing the other person's particular stance), it's also just easier (less wasting time) to avoid them and move on. So, information you may not find useful or of interest (perhaps in your case, these types of posts are downright annoying; of which I guess anyone has the freedom to mock and insult as they so desire)... well, it doesn't mean others might not be interested (and not necessarily persons who are active members of CathInfo -- people are readers only, as I once was). Although, clearly, given that the "Resignationist" position isn't all that popular on this forum, even if someone secretly holds to it, I can understand any tentativeness one may have in actually expressing it.
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    Re: Bergoglio concedes that Benedict is still the Pope
    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2019, 03:32:00 AM »
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  • This is on a par with sitting on Santa's knee. Two on one chair!

    Nadir, even Bishop Williamson, in this recent interview at the 22:30 mark, when asked about the significance of Pope Benedict suddenly resigning, stated:

    "I think that he was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy..."

    https://andrewcarringtonhitchcock.com/2018/12/22/the-andrew-carrington-hitchcock-show-879-bishop-richard-williamson-overcoming-a-post-truth-world/

    https://cldup.com/EHuqCBOiRx.mp3

    All anyone has to ask themselves is: how is it not an IMPOSSIBILITY for a Pope to "semi-resign" and to have "kept various things of the Papacy", and still not be THE POPE?

    Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    One day, maybe soon, the See of Rome could become vacant. There have been several false popes, or anti-popes, in Church history. Again, for our own times, or times not far off, Our Lady warned us at La Salette that Rome will become the Seat of the Anti-Christ. It is quite possible that with the death of John Paul II (which may not be far off) there will be a vacant See of Rome or an anti-Pope for a while."
    http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-society-is-neither-liberal-nor.html
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

     

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