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Offline hollingsworth

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Re: Bergoglio an antipope
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2023, 03:15:42 PM »
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    • When I first posted this topic, asking you all about what you thought of Fr. James Altman's assessment of Jorge, I knew really very little about the priest.  I kinda admired Altman from afar and was willing to go along with his quasi sedevacantist rhetoric about 80 or 90%.  After watching this 40 minute video though, I'm probably now in support of him about 1000%.  Yes, he's made a sudden, devoted convert out of me.
    I think maybe it's high time that a bishop, whom I've always admired and followed, start listening more to this priest.  He needs to give up his mushy, wait-and-see rhetoric about 'sedevacantism,' and speak out frankly.  The good bishop needs to abandon his old murky sspx residualism on the topic, and give his followers a clear path to follow with regard to the current (pope?) and his corrupt bishops and cardinals.  Bishop Williamson, it's time to fish or cut bait.

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    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #106 on: October 02, 2023, 02:15:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on October 01, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
    Yes, he's made a sudden, devoted convert out of me.
    Convert to what?
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #107 on: October 02, 2023, 02:49:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on October 01, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
    Bishop Williamson, it's time to fish or cut bait.

    Just imagine the trad world if +Williamson actually decided to try it.  Booom!
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #108 on: October 02, 2023, 06:36:34 PM »
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    Convert to what?
    Why, convert to CVism, of course.  Doesn't that require conversion from let-the-next-pope-set-things right to I'll do it myself using simple eye and ear tests? 
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #109 on: October 03, 2023, 05:00:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on October 02, 2023, 06:36:34 PM
    Why, convert to CVism, of course.  Doesn't that require conversion from let-the-next-pope-set-things right to I'll do it myself using simple eye and ear tests?
    CVism? Is that conclavism you are converting to? I can't tell if you're serious or not.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #110 on: October 03, 2023, 03:08:29 PM »
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    CVism? Is that conclavism you are converting to? I can't tell if you're serious or not.
    I'll make it simple: I got of the dime when it comes to Francis.  Fr. James Altman convinced me that he is not a pope.  I can no longer leave the question in my own mind to a future conclave and the next pope, as was my position earlier.  Bergoglio is, indeed, a fraud and a viper.  I'm forced to take the Bellarmine approach, i.e. that Frank is condemned and dethroned by his own behavior.  His own actions decide his fate.  Simple, as I said.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #111 on: October 04, 2023, 05:18:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on October 03, 2023, 03:08:29 PM
    I'm forced to take the Bellarmine approach, i.e. that Frank is condemned and dethroned by his own behavior.  His own actions decide his fate.  Simple, as I said.
    Who is forcing you to take this approach? What will you do differently now?
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #112 on: October 04, 2023, 05:47:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on October 03, 2023, 03:08:29 PM
    I'll make it simple: I got of the dime when it comes to Francis.  Fr. James Altman convinced me that he is not a pope.  I can no longer leave the question in my own mind to a future conclave and the next pope, as was my position earlier.  Bergoglio is, indeed, a fraud and a viper.  I'm forced to take the Bellarmine approach, i.e. that Frank is condemned and dethroned by his own behavior.  His own actions decide his fate.  Simple, as I said.

    Welcome aboard.  If this man (Jorge) is a Catholic, then the term Catholic is meaningless.  Even if one doesn't hold strictly to sedevacantism, Father Chazal's sedeimpoundism also addresses the situation very well (similar to sedeprivationism).  Bottom line is:  Does this man teach with the authority of Christ?

    We also have 3 Bishops now, Lenga, Gracida, and Vigano who hold that Jorge is a fraud and a viper.

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    St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, Book II, Chap. 30: "… for men are not bound, or able, to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple, and condemn him as a heretic."
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #113 on: October 04, 2023, 05:50:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on October 04, 2023, 05:18:03 AM
    Who is forcing you to take this approach? What will you do differently now?

    hollingsworth is defending the honor of the Holy See and the Papacy and the Catholic Church, whereas some of you are content to throw the Holy See and the Papacy and the Church under the bus in order to salvage the legitimacy of Jorge.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #114 on: October 04, 2023, 06:07:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 04, 2023, 05:47:29 AM
    We also have 3 Novus Ordo Bishops now, Lenga, Gracida, and Vigano who hold that Jorge is a fraud and a viper.
    Changed that.  We actually have plenty more bishops that hold the same.

    And yes, welcome aboard Hollingsworth.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #115 on: October 04, 2023, 06:40:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 04, 2023, 05:50:39 AM
    hollingsworth is defending the honor of the Holy See and the Papacy and the Catholic Church, whereas some of you are content to throw the Holy See and the Papacy and the Church under the bus in order to salvage the legitimacy of Jorge.
    Salvage the legitimacy of Jorge? Throw the honor of the Holy See and the Papacy and the Church under the bus? 

    So by deciding popes are not popes, sedes are defending the honor of the Holy See and the Papacy and the Church? Remarkable.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #116 on: October 04, 2023, 08:42:59 AM »
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    • Bergoglio is an anti-pope. He is not a true pope.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #117 on: October 04, 2023, 01:45:12 PM »
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    • Did anyone from Sspx get synod Questionaire?  Is any clergy or laity from Sspx going to the synod?  
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #118 on: October 04, 2023, 01:45:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mysterium Fidei on October 04, 2023, 08:42:59 AM
    Bergoglio is an anti-pope. He is not a true pope.
    I agree.  He is a communist imposter. 
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #119 on: October 04, 2023, 01:47:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 04, 2023, 05:50:39 AM
    hollingsworth is defending the honor of the Holy See and the Papacy and the Catholic Church, whereas some of you are content to throw the Holy See and the Papacy and the Church under the bus in order to salvage the legitimacy of Jorge.
    The counterfeit church took over and left God and us. 
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