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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Bergoglio an antipope
« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2023, 01:54:41 PM »
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  • And this is exactly what it amounts to, doesn’t it?
    (239) The Pope Speaks! YOU Decide! - YouTube

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    Offline Angelus

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #76 on: September 29, 2023, 02:00:58 PM »
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  • Not an unreasonable question, and one that many are probably asking.  Jesus said, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I shall build my church."  That was two thousand years ago.  Christ did build His Church over that period of time.  Has He finished building His Church?  I don't know.  But if there is more building to be done, I can assure you it will not be done through Francis.  Francis tears down.  He does not build up.  We really do not need Francis, for sure. 

    But we do need a pope, I think, to fulfill the Fatima message: to fully consecrate Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart and to reveal the Third Secret, and to secure Mary's final victory.  Such a pope, I am certain, is not Bergoglio.  That must be some future pope.

    I'm not sure, of course, but I think this Pope that secure's Mary's final victory will have a supernatural element to it, as described in the prophecy of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch. He will promulgate the final Marian Dogma of Maria Co-Redemptrix, which will be her "final victory."

    Great Monarch = Christ the King

    Holy Pope = He will be real human being who was once a "Peter," a rock, someone who legitimately held the Petrine office in the past. One of his given names will have a Latin variant of the name "Louis," and the other given name will be the same as one of the given names of Pope Pius X.



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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #77 on: September 29, 2023, 02:28:46 PM »
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  • So, basically what you are saying is that we really don’t need him or any pope for that matter. Correct?
    Well, the sedes have been without one for 60 years and far as they're concerned, they are essentially the only ones who have it right, SO YOU TELL ME. 

    Aside from that, I think a snip from Who Shall Ascend? is well to insert here for your consideration:

    "...So, what is so burdensome about all this? Who, it might be asked, has an easier assignment? Everything has been instituted with incomparable wisdom. After almost two thousand years, the Church has developed into an organization of excellent structure  The doctrine is certain; the moral code is incontrovertible in the main; the divine liturgy has been (had been) refined to a perfection; the code of laws worked. In a word, the spiritual doctrine, the tradition, the authority, the experience, the customs, the supernatural objectives all have been established. With a little prudence and a little caution on the part of the pope, Holy Church will practically run itself!..."

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #78 on: September 29, 2023, 02:32:13 PM »
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  • excellent!
    Yes, excellent! Lad states that he does not know right from wrong unless a pope tells him - and you congratulate him. :facepalm:

    Whatever it takes to cling to sedeism I guess.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #79 on: September 29, 2023, 02:54:32 PM »
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  • Well, the sedes have been without one for 60 years and far as they're concerned, they are essentially the only ones who have it right, SO YOU TELL ME.

    Aside from that, I think a snip from Who Shall Ascend? is well to insert here for your consideration:

    "...So, what is so burdensome about all this? Who, it might be asked, has an easier assignment? Everything has been instituted with incomparable wisdom. After almost two thousand years, the Church has developed into an organization of excellent structure  The doctrine is certain; the moral code is incontrovertible in the main; the divine liturgy has been (had been) refined to a perfection; the code of laws worked. In a word, the spiritual doctrine, the tradition, the authority, the experience, the customs, the supernatural objectives all have been established. With a little prudence and a little caution on the part of the pope, Holy Church will practically run itself!..."

    No, lets talk about the last 2000 years. You are inferring that we really didn’t need a pope all that time, correct?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #80 on: September 29, 2023, 03:41:00 PM »
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  • No, lets talk about the last 2000 years. You are inferring that we really didn’t need a pope all that time, correct?

    Why does it matter that there isn't a pope at any given time when this cardboard pope of theirs serves no purpose?  In fact, given that the V2 papal claimants have done little besides ruining souls, we would have been better off without a pope during the past 60+ years than to have these popes.  It's like when the US government goes into shut down, and no one notices, and we're actually better off without them.

    I love how they complain about not having a pope when for them the pope serves no purpose.

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #81 on: September 29, 2023, 04:14:13 PM »
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  • LOL. The only use Lefebvrites have for their "popes" is to recoil in horror at their blasphemies.

    Would you rather have a father who wants to kill you or no father?

    Your flight from your murderously disposed Unholy Father makes the answer clear.

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #82 on: September 29, 2023, 04:59:40 PM »
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  • Our Father is in Heaven.  Father, Son and Holy Ghost. 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #83 on: September 29, 2023, 07:43:29 PM »
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    Why does it matter that there isn't a pope at any given time when this cardboard pope of theirs serves no purpose?  In fact, given that the V2 papal claimants have done little besides ruining souls, we would have been better off without a pope during the past 60+ years than to have these popes.  It's like when the US government goes into shut down, and no one notices, and we're actually better off without them.

    I love how they complain about not having a pope when for them the pope serves no purpose.
    You know, Lad, I have to acknowledge and even commend your out-of-the-box thinking on this issue.  Never thought I'd do that.  You're right, V-2 popes do little except ruin souls.  We could have done without them for the past 60 years.  We can certainly do without this current papal knuckle-dragger,  who plunges the church even more deeply into this 'Mad Max,' dystopian nightmare of a world in absolute ruin and chaos.  It's Genesis one all over again, when the world was void and empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep.  Catholics must hitch up their drawers, and finally admit that Francis is a fake and a phony, an evil interloper, who is not even Cadtholic 

    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #84 on: September 29, 2023, 09:23:47 PM »
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  • And this is really the truth of the matter.  It is much easier to point the blame at sedes for the "division" in the Church than to point it at their pope. 

    Early in the Vatican II Council, Msgr. Bugnini challenged conservative Cardinals that their opposition to Pope Paul VI’s changes meant they did not believe the pope was the pope.

    The resisting Cardinals balked at Bugnini’s bluff.

    In post Council years, controlled opposition trads have turned “sede-vacantist” into a talismanic word.

    No word is more effective than “sede-vacantist” for shutting down intelligent Catholic conversation on the Church crisis, ecclesiastical masonry or jew-popes.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #85 on: September 29, 2023, 10:23:14 PM »
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    No word is more effective than “sede-vacantist” for shutting down intelligent Catholic conversation on the Church crisis, ecclesiastical masonry or Jєω-popes.
    Kinda the way the Jews use 'antisemitism' to shut any discussion about their wayward race.


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #86 on: September 30, 2023, 03:33:41 AM »
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  • And this is really the truth of the matter.  It is much easier to point the blame at sedes for the "division" in the Church than to point it at their pope. 

    Isn’t that the truth.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #87 on: September 30, 2023, 03:35:50 AM »
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  • (239) The Pope Speaks! YOU Decide! - YouTube

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    YI: Louie V has since taken the Sedevacantist position. 

    Yes he has.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #88 on: September 30, 2023, 03:37:24 AM »
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  • Early in the Vatican II Council, Msgr. Bugnini challenged conservative Cardinals that their opposition to Pope Paul VI’s changes meant they did not believe the pope was the pope.

    The resisting Cardinals balked at Bugnini’s bluff.

    In post Council years, controlled opposition trads have turned “sede-vacantist” into a talismanic word.

    No word is more effective than “sede-vacantist” for shutting down intelligent Catholic conversation on the Church crisis, ecclesiastical masonry or jew-popes.


    Very good point.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #89 on: September 30, 2023, 04:20:07 AM »
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  • No, lets talk about the last 2000 years. You are inferring that we really didn’t need a pope all that time, correct?
    No. Incorrect. Did you even read the snip I posted? You should. It explains a lot in just a few sentences.

    Let's keep on topic and talk about today and how sedes prove they do not need a pope by having kept the faith without any pope  - or hierarchy or priests for the last 60 years, all the while excoriating R&R over the matter.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse