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Offline Catholic Knight

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Re: Bergoglio an antipope
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2023, 07:15:45 AM »
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  • So I presume from the comments of a number of you that Francis not a validly elected pope, an imposter, if you will, even an antipope. So the Chair is empty, or presently vacated.  Do I detect a new found respect for the sedevacantist position?

    Those who hold all conciliar popes up to and including Benedict XVI as valid popes are not Sedevacantists.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #16 on: September 27, 2023, 07:19:56 AM »
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  • Those who hold all conciliar popes up to and including Benedict XVI as valid popes are not Sedevacantists.

    What are they?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Mr G

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #17 on: September 27, 2023, 08:06:04 AM »
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  • What are they?
    "Sedevacantists" is too broad of a category. If we did not know Catholic Knight's position, but we were only told he is a Sedevacantist, how many of us would assume he believes that Pius XII was the last Pope and all the consequences that follow that belief. 


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #18 on: September 27, 2023, 08:15:47 AM »
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  • So I presume from the comments of a number of you that Francis not a validly elected pope, an imposter, if you will, even an antipope. So the Chair is empty, or presently vacated.  Do I detect a new found respect for the sedevacantist position?
    I’m a Catholic clinging to my religion.  We are Catholics.  As Catholics, we allowed mortal sin into our church because of lukewarmness.  It got worse over 50 years ago when many chose the religion of television, sports, adultery, contraceptives, politics, internet.  Many Catholics make up lame excuses to continue to worship false idols.  They became worldly and ditched their faith like the Israelites did during Moses time. 

    The devil and his people work 24-7 spreading the false gospel of hell while most Catholics do nothing to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.  

    The devil removed God from everything because Catholics allowed it.  “Catholic” clergy has been for years promoting the false religion of satan with child sex abuse.  Rape is often used by barbaric atheist soldiers to harm their victims further.  One child was too many.  We saw how many traditional Catholics turn a blind eye while bashing victims. 

    And would ever  thought that Notre Dame would be promoting mortal sin?  Catholic charities receives money from satanic government which is false charity.  There has been zero resistance. Catholicism is dying.     

    Traditional Catholics are quick to tear each other up instead of helping one another.   They are quick to use social media to talk about how intelligent they are or to tear people up.  

    Jesus called on us to spread and live the gospel.  It is out of love that we correct the ignorant. 



    Lukewarmness is how we ended up with global Catholics in name only. 

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #19 on: September 27, 2023, 08:17:59 AM »
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  • "Sedevacantists" is too broad of a category. If we did not know Catholic Knight's position, but we were only told he is a Sedevacantist, how many of us would assume he believes that Pius XII was the last Pope and all the consequences that follow that belief.



    Sure, but some sedes say the chair emptied when John XXIII was elected, and others when Paul VI ascended, but nobody (including the sedes themselves) ever disputed both were sedes, presumably because the essential criterion is only that the chair is empty, and when it emptied.

    If, therefore, Paul VI sedes are really sedes, why aren’t the Benny’s??
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #20 on: September 27, 2023, 08:25:27 AM »
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  • Does it really matter?  

    There is a diabolical synod coming up.  It is filled with the most unholy evil agendas ever.  It isn’t Catholic either.  

    If this agenda gets voted on and passes, mortal sin will be the law on planet.  They might even take your wife children and sell into sex slavery.  It’s already happening.  It’s not the moslems but global devil worshippers. 

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #21 on: September 27, 2023, 08:43:56 AM »
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  • Sure, but some sedes say the chair emptied when John XXIII was elected, and others when Paul VI ascended, but nobody (including the sedes themselves) ever disputed both were sedes, presumably because the essential criterion is only that the chair is empty, and when it emptied.

    If, therefore, Paul VI sedes are really sedes, why aren’t the Benny’s??
    I suppose it is because the "Benny's" are still "R & R" in the they "Recognize" the current hierarchy (Cardinals and Bishops) but "Resist" them. Whereas the classic sedes do not recognize them. They have much more in common with the typical R&R that with the typical Sede.

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #22 on: September 27, 2023, 08:53:07 AM »
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  • "Sedevacantists" is too broad of a category. If we did not know Catholic Knight's position, but we were only told he is a Sedevacantist, how many of us would assume he believes that Pius XII was the last Pope and all the consequences that follow that belief.



    Exactly.
    This is why I always advocate defining one's terms.  Not everyone defines terms like "sedevacantist" the same.  Likewise sedeprivationist, "R&R" etc. 


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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #23 on: September 27, 2023, 09:09:32 AM »
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  • I suppose it is because the "Benny's" are still "R & R" in the they "Recognize" the current hierarchy (Cardinals and Bishops) but "Resist" them. Whereas the classic sedes do not recognize them. They have much more in common with the typical R&R that with the typical Sede.

    It’s a legit distinction you make, albeit a vanishing one (ie., they would not recognize any of the cardinals appointed by Francis, which are now the vast majority, and presumably they wouldn’t recognize any of the bishops he installed).

    So the situation reminds me of waiting for the last bishops consecrated by Pius XII to die, before the hierarchy is extinct.  Benny’s face the same issue, at which time they can no longer “recognize.”
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #24 on: September 27, 2023, 10:31:47 AM »
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  • Just to qualify a previous statement, sedeprivationists recognize potentially some of the hierarchy (those that are Catholic).

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #25 on: September 27, 2023, 05:30:19 PM »
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  • It never takes long for this kind of a topic to go into the weeds with talk about "sedeprivationists" or 'hard core sedes' who date their position from John XXIII on.  Let's skip all that for the time.  Do any of you, like Fr. James Altman, openly declare that the man presently occupying Peter's Chair is a "fraud" and a "viper?"  Easy question, and should produce and easy answer.


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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #26 on: September 27, 2023, 05:52:45 PM »
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  • It never takes long for this kind of a topic to go into the weeds with talk about "sedeprivationists" or 'hard core sedes' who date their position from John XXIII on.  Let's skip all that for the time.  Do any of you, like Fr. James Altman, openly declare that the man presently occupying Peter's Chair is a "fraud" and a "viper?"  Easy question, and should produce and easy answer.

    Yes, Bergoglio is a fraud, a viper, the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Little Horn, the False Prophet, the Antichrist, etc. He is spoken of quite a bit in the Bible. Don't underestimate him.

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #27 on: September 27, 2023, 07:05:14 PM »
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  • It never takes long for this kind of a topic to go into the weeds with talk about "sedeprivationists" or 'hard core sedes' who date their position from John XXIII on.  Let's skip all that for the time.  Do any of you, like Fr. James Altman, openly declare that the man presently occupying Peter's Chair is a "fraud" and a "viper?"  Easy question, and should produce and easy answer.

    And many have answered.  Why is Fr. Altman the standard or litmus test?  Many of us have been saying that Jorge was a non-pope, a fraud, and a viper since he took occupancy of the chair, long before it was a twinkle in Fr. Altman's eye, and then to make no mention of Jorge's Conciliar predecessors.

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #28 on: September 27, 2023, 11:52:33 PM »
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  • :popcorn:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #29 on: September 28, 2023, 01:41:42 AM »
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  • More Catholic clergy and Catholic laity
    should publicly rebuke Mr. Bergolio as Father Altman did.  How many traditional Catholic clergy and laity are rebuking Mr. Bergolio.   Mr. Bergolio is a communist who rejects Jesus.  He believes and promotes  a false gospel. 


    "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins." - James 5:19-20. "Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.


    Those who attend that synod in a state of mortal sin should be excommunicated from the church including the sodomites. 

    It’s not judging.  These people are intentionally removing Jesus Christ from all things.  We should have nothing to do with them because we not to be yoked with unbelievers. 



    May God bless you and keep you