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Offline hollingsworth

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Bergoglio an antipope
« on: September 26, 2023, 01:44:40 PM »
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    •  How many CI members now regard Pope Bergoglio as an antipope?  How many of you now will acknowledge that Francis is not a legitimate pope of Rome.  I am coming to think that priests like Fr. James Altman are right. Francis is not even Catholic.
    I expect to hear immediately from all the usual suspects.  Sean Johnson and Ladislaus, do you two believe that Pope B is a real pope?  Or are the sedes, in this instance at least, right?
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2023, 02:27:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on September 26, 2023, 01:44:40 PM
    How many CI members now regard Pope Bergoglio as an antipope?  How many of you now will acknowledge that Francis is not a legitimate pope of Rome.  I am coming to think that priests like Fr. James Altman are right. Francis is not even Catholic.
    I expect to hear immediately from all the usual suspects.  Sean Johnson and Ladislaus, do you two believe that Pope B is a real pope?  Or are the sedes, in this instance at least, right?

    It is an objective fact that Bergoglio is an antipope. You can read the reason at www.antipope.com.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2023, 02:51:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on September 26, 2023, 02:27:56 PM
    It is an objective fact that Bergoglio is an antipope. You can read the reason at www.antipope.com.

    Oh, please ... :facepalm:

    I agree that he's an antipope, but not for the reason at the link.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2023, 02:53:40 PM »
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    • Since you've asked me specifically, yes, Jorge Bergoglio is an antipope.  I lean sedeprivationist myself, but I'm on the fence about whether that even fits here (for various reasons I don't want to elaborate upon).
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 03:47:43 PM »
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    • Perhaps post an anonymous poll?
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2023, 04:05:49 PM »
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    • Jorge Bergoglio is an antipope because he was not validly elected.  Benedict XVI did not renounce his munus.  Now that Benedict XVI is dead, universal and peaceful acceptance (even if it a true doctrine) does not apply because Jorge Bergoglio is a public manifest formal heretic, and pubic manifest formal heresy by its very nature separates the heretic from the Church (refer to Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis).  A non-member cannot be pope.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2023, 04:16:53 PM »
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2023, 04:28:13 PM »
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    • What Schneider says contradicts the current law of the Roman Catholic Church. In the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis, the law that governs papal elections, it says the following:

    76. Should the election take place in a way other than that prescribed in the present Constitution, or should the conditions laid down here not be observed, the election is for this very reason null and void, without any need for a declaration on the matter; consequently, it confers no right on the one elected.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2023, 07:47:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on September 26, 2023, 01:44:40 PM
    How many CI members now regard Pope Bergoglio as an antipope?  How many of you now will acknowledge that Francis is not a legitimate pope of Rome.  I am coming to think that priests like Fr. James Altman are right. Francis is not even Catholic.
    I expect to hear immediately from all the usual suspects.  Sean Johnson and Ladislaus, do you two believe that Pope B is a real pope?  Or are the sedes, in this instance at least, right?
    Mr. Bergolio preaches the false gospel of man which isn’t Catholic at all. Mr. Bergolio answers to a global government which hates our Lord.  The Catholic Church was bad enough with the other popes but the laity didn’t have much exposure to their errors until the internet.  Mr Bergolio has caused many people to lose their faith to become atheists.  The synod is about worshipping man and mortal sin instead of God.  It rejects Jesus Christ.  

    We can pray to God for help. 

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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2023, 07:56:18 PM »
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #10 on: September 26, 2023, 07:57:40 PM »
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #11 on: September 26, 2023, 08:22:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 26, 2023, 02:53:40 PM
    Since you've asked me specifically, yes, Jorge Bergoglio is an antipope.  I lean sedeprivationist myself, but I'm on the fence about whether that even fits here (for various reasons I don't want to elaborate upon).
    I regard Bergoglio as an antipope and prophet of the Antichrist. Like Ladislaus, I too lean sedeprivationist. Yet in the case of Bergoglio, he has never obtained a valid election so that the necessary elements are not peesent for sedeprivationism. Unlike Montini, Luciani, Wojtyła, and Ratzinger who all had valid elections and held at least material papacies, the situation with Bergoglio is an unnuanced vacancy of the Petrine Office.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2023, 08:48:45 PM »
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    • So I presume from the comments of a number of you that Francis not a validly elected pope, an imposter, if you will, even an antipope. So the Chair is empty, or presently vacated.  Do I detect a new found respect for the sedevacantist position?
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2023, 06:07:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on September 26, 2023, 08:48:45 PM
    So I presume from the comments of a number of you that Francis not a validly elected pope, an imposter, if you will, even an antipope. So the Chair is empty, or presently vacated.  Do I detect a new found respect for the sedevacantist position?
    The comments are mainly from those who are either sedeprivationist, bennyvacantist or already sedevacantist.  It would be interesting to hear if any sedeplenists have changed their views due to Bergoglio.  That is why I suggest an anonymous poll.
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    Re: Bergoglio an antipope
    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2023, 06:17:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on September 26, 2023, 01:44:40 PM
    How many CI members now regard Pope Bergoglio as an antipope?  How many of you now will acknowledge that Francis is not a legitimate pope of Rome.  I am coming to think that priests like Fr. James Altman are right. Francis is not even Catholic.
    I expect to hear immediately from all the usual suspects.  Sean Johnson and Ladislaus, do you two believe that Pope B is a real pope?  Or are the sedes, in this instance at least, right?

    He’s not a pope mainly because of the fact he’s not a Catholic.
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