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Offline SimpleMan

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #255 on: July 19, 2021, 02:36:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Against the Heresies on July 19, 2021, 02:08:27 AM
    Sermon of Fr. Davide Pagliarani (in Italian)



    No parlo italiano (beyond just a few words, I can hack my way through simple written Italian and kinda-sorta get the gist of it).

    Is there any way to get a translation of this?   Any way it can be run through a kind of voice translator, similar to how the Google Translate app works, through voice recognition and machine translation of the resulting Italian speech-to-text into English?
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #256 on: July 19, 2021, 08:31:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on July 18, 2021, 11:15:09 PM
    Xavier has entered the thread.

    What makes this forum run is the diversity of opinions. 

    Many are late to the trad world and don't know of the SSPX's bone closet.

    We need pro-SSPXers here so we can easily shoot down their arguments.

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #257 on: July 19, 2021, 08:47:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 18, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
    Interesting discussion about what Tradition means.

    So, the original Modernists held that Tradition can be understood differently as time goes by.

    But the neo-Modernists put a layer of misdirection on it.  "Yes, Tradition, but you have to understand it the way the Church understands it." ... and then proceed to impose their understanding onto it, claiming it's the Church's.

    Thus you get where EENS actually means the opposite of EENS, so that if you hold fast to the actual words, it's heretical.  If you say that heretics, schismatics, infidels, etc. cannot be saved, you're actually a heretic ... despite the fact that it's precisely what the text says.  "See the Church understands by EENS that heretics and infidels CAN be saved, you silly heretic, you."

    As various Modernist theologians put spins on things, that "theological consensus" became "how the Church understands it".  Which is where Cekadism falls apart.


    Wow... "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church" is a new position for them?

    I don't believe they mean it after all their formalized Father Feeney bashing on the topic of EENS.

    If you translate what the priest said with the true SSPX code meaning, it is, "No Salvation Outside the SSPX".

    They SSPX is too deeply compromised to ever seriously push-back on Francis and newChurch.  They've become an order of hirelings.

    Fr. Pagliarani and his cohorts are ecstatic because they will soon be officially in charge of the TLM and every trad will bow down to them.

    We've seen their plan unfold.  It's been in the works for at least a decade.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #258 on: July 19, 2021, 08:48:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Against the Heresies on July 19, 2021, 02:08:27 AM
    Sermon of Fr. Davide Pagliarani (in Italian)



    Why is he so happy?   Soon to be an approved Pope Francis bishop?
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #259 on: July 19, 2021, 04:32:51 PM »
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    • Someone said (either on this topic or one of the others) that the traditional Masses bring in so much money that the diocesan bishops won't end them.  The poster said it's all about the money.

    I've seen reports that three dioceses have, indeed, formally outlawed all traditional Masses.

    Frankly, if it were really all about the money, the Conciliar sect would have brought back the traditional Mass within just a couple of years after introducing the Novus Ordo and seeing that it drove millions away.  While they care about money, thier first and foremost goal is the destruction of the faith.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #260 on: July 19, 2021, 05:36:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on July 18, 2021, 12:19:28 PM

    Therefore, when he uses the word “tradition” he means the Society’s version of tradition.

    It’s the compromised milieu of tradition that endorses soft-science computer geeks to proclaim the “Big Bang” theory as a valid interpretation of the book of Genesis.
    This is correct and and the lashing out by likes of Fr. Robinson is not likely motivated by faith, but bitterness and spite at having been jilted. The Neo-SSPX has spent the last decade pursuing a whore, only for that same femme fatale to tell him she is no longer interested in playing with him. "But look at all I have done (compromised) for you" said Bishop Beta, "surely I must have earned your approval to be let in."

    This is something that Fr. Themann never understood about Bishop Williamson's position. Bp. Williamson does not leave his frame if Rome, out if the blue, comes to him and says I will give you what you want.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #261 on: July 20, 2021, 07:10:05 AM »
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    • Rome is in apostasy.  It is the counter church of hell.  It embraces mortal sin.  Over 50 percent of Catholics in USA either don’t their faith or reject their faith.   I don’t want any part of it.  And it doesn’t make me or anyone sede because we didnt leave the Catholic Church; The Catholic Church left us.  
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #262 on: July 20, 2021, 09:10:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 20, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
    Rome is in apostasy.  It is the counter church of hell.  It embraces mortal sin.  Over 50 percent of Catholics in USA either don’t their faith or reject their faith.   I don’t want any part of it.  And it doesn’t make me or anyone sede because we didnt leave the Catholic Church;

    It does make the seat vacant, though.


    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 20, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
    The Catholic Church left us. 

    No, the apostates left the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #263 on: July 20, 2021, 09:38:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 20, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
    Over 50 percent of Catholics in USA either don’t their faith or reject their faith.

    No, the number is over 90% ... based on various polling data.
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    « Reply #264 on: July 20, 2021, 11:52:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 20, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
    No, the number is over 90% ... based on various polling data.

    They won’t be on this earth long.

    Their national Novus ordo radio (Relevant Radio) is promoting the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic propaganda that Catholics should be vaxed.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #265 on: July 20, 2021, 03:44:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 20, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
    No, the number is over 90% ... based on various polling data.
    NO.  100% of Catholic have the Catholic Faith.  It's part of the very definition of being Catholic.  It's that the Church is has only 10% of the membership it used to have.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #266 on: July 20, 2021, 04:30:45 PM »
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    • Outer Court versus Inner Court Catholicism.
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    « Reply #267 on: July 20, 2021, 04:37:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croixalist on July 20, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
    Outer Court versus Inner Court Catholicism.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #268 on: July 21, 2021, 08:41:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 20, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
    Rome is in apostasy.  It is the counter church of hell.  It embraces mortal sin.   [Well] over 50 percent of [supposed] Catholics in USA either don’t their faith or reject their faith.   I don’t want any part of it.  And it doesn’t make me or anyone sede because we didnt leave the Catholic Church; the [Novus Ordo antichurch] left us.

    Well said. Well said indeed.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #269 on: July 28, 2021, 06:53:47 AM »
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