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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #240 on: July 18, 2021, 12:19:28 PM »
Thats funny. Because his sermon this morning at my chapel said nothing of the sort. Rather, he very passionately advocated for tradition despite the choice of Modernist Rome to attack tradition once more.

Father Robinson came to St. Benedict’s Church in Louisville several summers ago to announce from the pulpit that there is no salvation outside the SSPX.

Therefore, when he uses the word “tradition” he means the Society’s version of tradition.

It’s the compromised milieu of tradition that endorses soft-science computer geeks to proclaim the “Big Bang” theory as a valid interpretation of the book of Genesis.

Father’s recent attacks on resistance chapels and such imagined evils as Father Feeney came as a surprise?

In fact, his offensive was warning sign that the SSPX had covertly regularized with Francis.

It’s not a coincidence that this  regularization was timed with Francis’s pulling the plug on the indulted TLM.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #241 on: July 18, 2021, 12:47:48 PM »
We had a really great sermon on this MP today at my SSPX chapel - it was a great surprise as I did not expect so much as a word to be said about it - glad I was totally wrong! I personally was not the least bit concerned with it to begin with since it is nothing but old news that is simply repeated by another pope, but I am pretty sure if any people in the congregation were concerned, after this sermon they're not any more, or at least they shouldn't be.
Could you provide a brief rundown of the main points?  I would have been interested to hear this sort of thing.


Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #242 on: July 18, 2021, 12:48:19 PM »
In fact, his offensive was warning sign that the SSPX had covertly regularized with Francis.

It’s not a coincidence that this  regularization was timed with Francis’s pulling the plug on the indulted TLM.
I'm not convinced, especially based on what he said today. He preached the same conclusion that many of you have drawn: the SSPX is back to the position it had during the 70s and 80s. He denounced Francis's decision, promoted resistance to the conciliar Church, tore apart the New Mass as evil, and expressed his concern over how the FSSP and ICKSP are going to fare going forward. Nothing he said this morning betrayed a conspiracy of collusion with Francis and the Vatican.

I'm not a fan of his creation theology, but I'm not going to trash the man completely.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #243 on: July 18, 2021, 01:21:59 PM »
I'm not sure what that provision means.  It'll probably be the cause of much confusion.  On the face of it, 90% of all the diocesan Motu Masses would have to be shut down ... as of this coming Sunday.  I doubt that's going to happen.  But we'll see.  I believe that the intent is for the establishment of NEW groups and that the older ones seem grandfathered in ... provided that the Bishop determines they're not hostile to the NOM.  What that means is also vague.  One bishop might just ask the priest, "Are you against the NOM?"  Answer:  "no".  Bishop: "OK".  I'm sure you'll find about 50% of Motarians who are hostile to the NOM.  Will each attendee be investigated and forced to sign a paper pledging allegiance to the NOM, to Bergoglio, and to Pachamama worship?

At the end of the day, it'll just be whatever the bishop wants to do ... as it always has been.
It certainly seems confused, barring it from regular parishes, limiting it to 'personal parishes' but most dioceses have no other churches but regular parish churches. Some places have big disused basilicas or oratories or chapels which might be given to ICKSP, but most don't. It might allow some to attempt a full suppression, especially for newer Francis appointees who found at lot of TLM in their new dioceses.
'Missal antecedent to 1970' covers the everything from the earliest use of the Novus Ordo (promulgated in 1969 and only made mandatory in 1970), all the iterations of the transitional missal from 1964 to 1968, plus obviously the now standard '62 missal.
It seems a shoddy docuмent.

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #244 on: July 18, 2021, 01:27:42 PM »
Could you provide a brief rundown of the main points?  I would have been interested to hear this sort of thing.
Main points he touched on the MP does not affect us nor does it affect faithful Catholics, the MP is just another assault aimed at ridding the True Mass for the new mass, which is a prot service, he really stressed we must strive to be strong in and wholly and faithfully Catholic, he spoke of the Scholastic Period, which is summed up in the Summa that we should read/study it to learn/strengthen our faith better. He explained why the latest attack on the true Mass via the MP does not affect faithful Catholics, we are not traditional Catholics, we are Catholics, they are conciliar but not Catholic, he went on in a little more detail about that. He talked about how there is no salvation outside of the Church so they (the conciliarists) don't stand a chance unless they convert before they die, being outside of the Church, they in fact are the ones who have the sword of Damocles hanging over their head and that's how we should view them, he went on about that for a bit. That we need to be firm in the faith to never have the slightest doubt that it's just a matter of when, not if the conciliar church will lose miserably and the MP aids them in this coming failure, that the gates of hell will never prevail.

That's it in a nut shell, probably doesn't sound too inviting but I will say that it was the quickest 20 or so minutes I have sat through in a very long time, literally before I knew it, the sermon was over. After Church, speaking to a few friends, they said the same thing - that the sermon was outstanding, one said he wanted to clap and cheer, the other one said jokingly that they only do that in the NO lol.