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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #165 on: July 16, 2021, 10:47:38 PM »
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    • Now is the time to watch the neo-SSPX like hawks.

    They are surely factored into Bergy's motu as the Judas goats for herding the Trads.

    With the Resistance's global chapel assets, we should be able to learn how the SSPX plans come out on top of the TLM's public demise.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #166 on: July 16, 2021, 11:23:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on July 16, 2021, 10:36:26 PM
    Actually forget debating anything with words, Sean. A picture will suffice.
    Sweet!  Pictures!
    :facepalm:
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #167 on: July 17, 2021, 12:28:17 AM »
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    • Won't bother to read this Bergolian trash, but I read some comments and news stories about it.   Now that he's herding the various Latin Mass communities to the NO, maybe he can order mass vaccinations as part of the re-education...a two for one for the socialists/communists.  Another Rosary tonight for the miracle that someday we get a Catholic Pope.   Nauseating what we are witnessing, but our crosses are many.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #168 on: July 17, 2021, 01:26:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on July 16, 2021, 10:36:26 PM
    Actually forget debating anything with words, Sean. A picture will suffice.
    Reminds me of those sub rosa video recordings made inside Mormon temples, where the men wear white robes, Masonic-type aprons, and what look like flat bakers' hats with that poofy thing on top.



    Yuck.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #169 on: July 17, 2021, 01:33:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 16, 2021, 06:43:37 AM
    Yes, but these groups will now have to openly accept the NOM, say it, and force the laity to attend it.  +Francis' whole point is that these TLM communities were being "divisive" and rejecting V2, so this is an attempt to "re-educate" them and force all the younger generations to accept the modernization.  They can't be TLM only anymore.
    Well, I won’t be forced to attend it or accept Vat. II, I cannot be re-educated, and no more TLM makes no practical difference in my life, at least.  I have no access to true Mass or Sacraments as it has been intermittently since 2018, and entirely since March 2020.  
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #170 on: July 17, 2021, 03:04:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 16, 2021, 01:19:05 PM
    You know, my question to you was sincere. The bolded was unnecessary.  
    The same question was on my mind, and I am not a sede.
    I think things will eventually come back through prayer and suffering. I think there is no other way.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #171 on: July 17, 2021, 04:46:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on July 17, 2021, 01:26:20 AM
    Reminds me of those sub rosa video recordings made inside Mormon temples, where the men wear white robes, Masonic-type aprons, and what look like flat bakers' hats with that poofy thing on top.



    Yuck.
    Both are false religions made by man so it's unsurprising temporal evils stain them. The Masonic iconography/symbology seems to permeate these worldly cults.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #172 on: July 17, 2021, 05:04:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on July 16, 2021, 05:42:42 PM
    The whole world holds that CÖVÌD 19 is an existential threat to the human race.  The whole world holds that the vaccines are safe.  The whole world holds that Catholic doctrine can evolve and even contradict what was previously believed.  No one is disputing that the Novus Ordo sect contradicts traditional Catholic doctrine.  So the burden of proof is on you to prove that a true pope can overthrow Catholic doctrine.  All the doctors of the Church say it is not possible.  You have to prove that all the doctors are wrong.  St Robert is not on your side.  He believed that God would never allow a true pope to fall into heresy.  But he admitted that if he were wrong about that, a heretical pope would ipso facto lose his office.  But no doctor or father of the Church ever believed or taught that a manifest heretic could be ELECTED to the Roman See.  That's insanity.  Almost as insane as you calling Whoregαy, "Your Holiness".  So you have to argue either a) Whoregαy isn't heretical or b) all the doctors of the Church were wrong when they taught that a heretical pope would ipso facto lose office.  (See St Robert, St Alphonsus and St Francis de Sales among others).  But how are you going to prove that a manifest heretic could be ELECTED to the Roman See?  Or that once elected, the heretic's claim on the Roman See is a dogmatic fact?  The gig is up, Sean.  The notorious Siscoe and Salza are sunk.  For the sake of your own sanity, you need to break out of the Stockholm Syndrome attitude that has entangled you with a disgusting perverted heretic who claims the Roman See.  His claim is no more believable (nay, less believable) than Pope Michael's claim in Kansas.  Anyone who thinks Whoregαy is the pope is certifiable.
    The sedes look at this whole thing with sede eyes, By that I mean they engage a strictly sede mindset to all these things, and then they see only what they already believe, and what they do not believe, they do not see. That's just the way it is, I am not making this up.

    For example, St. Robert said if a pope  ever did fall into heresy, ipso facto he loses his office. Yet one of the greatest of all popes, St. Pius X in Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis, legislated that a heretic could indeed be elected pope. All the popes since then have all legislated the same thing.

    This is only one puny example of many.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #173 on: July 17, 2021, 06:21:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 16, 2021, 06:30:19 PM
    Louis Verrecchio's take on Frank's Motu Proprio

    via akaCatholic:

    This lays out exactly what I've been saying.

    It's very obvious that Bergoglio was attempting/intending to abrogate the Tridentine Mass, and at the same time he declared those who considered V2 and the NOM illegitimate to be outside the Church.

    This isn't just about the conditions for being able to offer the Mass.  This Motu represents Bergoglio's clear and explicit repudiation of Tradition.  It couldn't be clearer.

    Recall Archbishop Lefebvre's statements that it is THEY who are schismatics because they have cut themselves off from Tradition.  To this point, it's been implicit.  Bergoglio just made his schism implicit and manifest.

    Bergoglio:
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    Vatican Council II, while it reaffirmed the external bonds of incorporation in the Church — the profession of faith, the sacraments, of communion — affirmed with St. Augustine that to remain in the Church not only “with the body” but also “with the heart” is a condition for salvation.

    So, for Bergoglio, sodomites and atheists can all be saved ... and only those who reject Vatican II don't have this "condition for salvation".
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #174 on: July 17, 2021, 06:26:24 AM »
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    • This Motu is pure evil.

    What happened to Francis' "Who am I to judge?"  He does nothing BUT judge Traditional Catholics.

    I wait in eager anticipation of +Vigano's responses.

    Also, I'm curious about what the SSPX will say about this.
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    « Reply #175 on: July 17, 2021, 06:31:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 17, 2021, 06:26:24 AM
    This Motu is pure evil.

    No. Ratzinger's motu was pure evil. He deceived people about the Conciliar Sect of Antichrist. With Bergoglio people have a better chance to see what the Conciliar Sect is.

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #176 on: July 17, 2021, 06:33:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 17, 2021, 06:26:24 AM
    This Motu is pure evil.
    Of course, just like the guy who wrote it.

    He hates Tradition and the True Mass, and he makes no bones about it. Now, he's going for the throat.

    Is anyone on here really surprised?
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #177 on: July 17, 2021, 06:35:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on July 17, 2021, 06:31:04 AM
    No. Ratzinger's motu was pure evil. He deceived people about the Conciliar Sect of Antichrist. With Bergoglio people have better chance to see what the Conciliar Sect is.

    Well, they both were.  Just because Bergoglio's manifestation of the evil makes it clear, this doesn't mean it wasn't an expression of evil.

    Regardless, we see R&R circling the wagons here and claiming that Bergoglio did not abrogate the Tridentine Mass.  I think it's time to commit some of these folks to a mental institution.  Whether Bergoglio was abrogating the Catholic Mass depends on "what the meaning of 'is' is".  Their desperation is pathetic to behold.

    This docuмent represents the OFFICIAL severing of the Conciliar Church from Tradition.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #178 on: July 17, 2021, 06:39:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 17, 2021, 06:35:58 AM
    Well, they both were.  Just because Bergoglio's manifestation of the evil makes it clear, this doesn't mean it wasn't an expression of evil.

    Regardless, we see R&R circling the wagons here and claiming that Bergoglio did not abrogate the Tridentine Mass.  I think it's time to commit some of these folks to a mental institution.  Whether Bergoglio was abrogating the Catholic Mass depends on "what the meaning of 'is' is".  Their desperation is pathetic to behold.

    This docuмent represents the OFFICIAL severing of the Conciliar Church from Tradition.
    I tend to believe the official severing was in Lumen Gentium when Montini claimed the "Church" subsists in Christ's Church.  
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    « Reply #179 on: July 17, 2021, 06:41:07 AM »
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    • Here's why I think that the Modernist Heretics finally pulled the trigger.

    They were getting increasingly concerned that the Motu crowd were growing in numbers.  Originally it was intended as a fly trap to suck those back into the Conciliar institution who might otherwise be inclined to become Traditional Catholics.  But it was working in the opposite direction.

    It was intended to make Traditional Catholics less Traditional.  Instead, it was causing Conciliar Catholics to become more Traditional, and it was also serving as a "gateway" to true Traditional Catholicism.  That's why there's this huge emphasis on not having any more, not having newly-ordained priests offer the Tridentine Mass, etc.  They were worried about the growth of the Motarian movement and its slouching toward Tradition.
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