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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #150 on: July 16, 2021, 08:32:34 PM »
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  • The whole world holds that CÖVÌD 19 is an existential threat to the human race.  The whole world holds that the vaccines are safe.  The whole world holds that Catholic doctrine can evolve and even contradict what was previously believed.  No one is disputing that the Novus Ordo sect contradicts traditional Catholic doctrine.  So the burden of proof is on you to prove that a true pope can overthrow Catholic doctrine.  All the doctors of the Church say it is not possible.  You have to prove that all the doctors are wrong.  St Robert is not on your side.  He believed that God would never allow a true pope to fall into heresy.  But he admitted that if he were wrong about that, a heretical pope would ipso facto lose his office.  But no doctor or father of the Church ever believed or taught that a manifest heretic could be ELECTED to the Roman See.  That's insanity.  Almost as insane as you calling Whoregαy, "Your Holiness".  So you have to argue either a) Whoregαy isn't heretical or b) all the doctors of the Church were wrong when they taught that a heretical pope would ipso facto lose office.  (See St Robert, St Alphonsus and St Francis de Sales among others).  But how are you going to prove that a manifest heretic could be ELECTED to the Roman See?  Or that once elected, the heretic's claim on the Roman See is a dogmatic fact?  The gig is up, Sean.  The notorious Siscoe and Salza are sunk.  For the sake of your own sanity, you need to break out of the Stockholm Syndrome attitude that has entangled you with a disgusting perverted heretic who claims the Roman See.  His claim is no more believable (nay, less believable) than Pope Michael's claim in Kansas.  Anyone who thinks Whoregαy is the pope is certifiable.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #151 on: July 16, 2021, 08:33:42 PM »
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  • 😂😂😂 👍👍👍
    Hey, You’re very excited!
    :facepalm:
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #152 on: July 16, 2021, 08:34:38 PM »
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  • This strengthens the Sedevacantist position even further.

    Yes. Indefectibility remains intact only if the Novus Ordo organization, spawned at Vatican II, is NOT the actual Catholic Church.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #153 on: July 16, 2021, 08:35:54 PM »
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  • Right.  The process was controversial, especially when Catholic kings and princes were meddling in it.  So theologians were affirming that even if the process is corrupt, the end result is still good.  But they never allowed that a manifest heretic could legitimately claim the office.  That's absurd.  But that's exactly what R&R has to argue today.
    But he could persist in it, which is exactly what JST, Suarez, Cajetan (ie., the only authors of note to discuss the matter in a major treatise) say.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #154 on: July 16, 2021, 08:37:35 PM »
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  • I hope and pray that Sean makes his way out of the blasphemous and anti-Catholic position which holds that Christ's vicar can be a heresiarch like Mr Bergoglio.  It's a horrible thing to say about the Papacy, and the Mystical Body of Christ.  I do not mean to give offense in this, but it must be said.  

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #155 on: July 16, 2021, 08:38:27 PM »
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  • Well, I guess these are more fruits of R&R.  Despite the fact that the Church has always allowed married priests in the East, people know better.  Married priests in the East are not some invention of the Modernists.
    Non-sequitur.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #156 on: July 16, 2021, 08:42:26 PM »
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  • Yes. Indefectibility remains intact only if the Novus Ordo organization, spawned at Vatican II, is NOT the actual Catholic Church.
    It’s the conciliar church (which is not complete distinct from the Catholic Church).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #157 on: July 16, 2021, 09:07:57 PM »
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  • "My faithful shil... errr... Servants at CI: Meg, Xavier, Sean etc: Thank you for supporting us. Your checks are on the way"

    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #158 on: July 16, 2021, 09:22:42 PM »
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  • "My faithful shil... errr... Servants at CI: Meg, Xavier, Sean etc: Thank you for supporting us. Your checks are on the way"


    Not a theological argument 
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #159 on: July 16, 2021, 09:42:42 PM »
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  • Not a theological argument
    I'm not sure how to formulate an argument that you don't have a cope for.

    If you're going to ever seriously address his views on EENS that'd be great, no VIIer and few sedes take this dogma seriously.
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #160 on: July 16, 2021, 09:46:19 PM »
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  • I'm not sure how to formulate an argument that you don't have a cope for.
    If you're going to ever seriously address his views on EENS that'd be great, no VIIer and few sedes take this dogma seriously.
    I have a cope for them all.
    But why would I care about anything sedes and Feeneyites say???
    And what dogma are you speaking of?
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #161 on: July 16, 2021, 10:15:24 PM »
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  • I have a cope for them all.
    But why would I care about anything sedes and Feeneyites say???
    And what dogma are you speaking of?
    EENS.
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
    Francis is Pope.
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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #162 on: July 16, 2021, 10:23:51 PM »
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  • "My faithful shil... errr... Servants at CI: Meg, Xavier, Sean etc: Thank you for supporting us. Your checks are on the way"


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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #163 on: July 16, 2021, 10:33:54 PM »
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  • Wow, this is gonna be really heavy-handed, when the Bishops start to "clean house".  Basically, no more TLM in any parish churches; they can only be said at certain places, on certain days, by certain priests.  Wow.  
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    This is going to put major pressure on the FSSP.  On the one hand, if many of these priests leave new-rome over this, that would be great.  Hopefully they will join Tradition and be conditionally ordained.  On the other hand, I hope they don't join the SSPX because I don't trust +Fellay.

    Yeah, and where are all those Resistance priests who were supposed to be ordained and in the field to help us out?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
    « Reply #164 on: July 16, 2021, 10:36:26 PM »
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  • Actually forget debating anything with words, Sean. A picture will suffice.

    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
    Francis is Pope.
    NO is a good Mass.
    Not an ironic sig.