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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #110 on: July 16, 2021, 02:49:58 PM »
I expect Eastern Catholic churches will see a few more Roman Rite Refugees as well if TLM places are forced to close.
Yup

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #111 on: July 16, 2021, 02:51:34 PM »
Why did he believe a pope could never become a heretic?  He specifically said that under no circuмstances can we avoid the head.  St Alphonsus said the same.  They would never allow that Catholics could legitimately mount a systematic resistance to the Roman See.  So he believed that a pope could never become a heretic because it would appear to contradict Our Lord's prayer for St Peter that his faith would never fail.  And many sedes today would still affirm that.  Fr Cekada towards the end of his life focused on the fact that none of the Conciliar "popes" were legitimately elected.  So none of them were ever at any moment pope.  It is also false to say that St Robert believed sedevacantism is impossible.  There is a sede vacante after the death of every pope.  And the fundamental principles of sedes today don't include anything novel.  Even the idea that a sede vacante could be extended for decades isn't exactly novel.  Some pre-V2 theologians talked about the possibility that there was no pope at all during the Great Western Schism.  So a long sede vacante isn't contrary to Catholic doctrine.

I'm thankful to Whoregαy Bergoglio for making it more difficult for traditionalists to reconcile traditional Catholic doctrine with the doctrine of the Novus Ordo Sect.  Even if the Novus Ordo Sect claims to be Catholic, at least they are honest enough to say that their religion is completely incompatible with traditional Catholicism.  I also appreciate that he implicitly affirms that the Novus Ordo Sect's doctrine is more compatible with non-Catholic religions than it is with traditional Catholicism.  That's great to know.  These type of developments may even help sede vacantists and sede privationists to realize that a solution to the crisis will not be forthcoming from the Novus Ordo Sect.
See previous post.  The legitimacy of the pope is de fide.


Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #112 on: July 16, 2021, 02:52:17 PM »
I am not a dogmatic sedevacantist but boy the VII sect wants everyone to be.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #113 on: July 16, 2021, 02:53:26 PM »
I am not a dogmatic sedevacantist but boy the VII sect wants everyone to be.
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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #114 on: July 16, 2021, 02:58:26 PM »
See previous post.  The legitimacy of the pope is de fide.
Circular argument.  You have to prove that he is the pope BEFORE you can claim his papacy is a dogmatic fact.  Why isn't the claim of Pope Michael of Kansas de fide?