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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2021, 09:59:19 AM »
Which church?  Catholic or conciliar?
Ps: This cake tastes wonderful.
Ok, you tell me, is Bergoglio the head of the Catholic Church or conciliar church?

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2021, 10:01:42 AM »
It seems that the traditional Mass will have a significant change that everyone will see immediately:

I'd be interested to hear how many people see this on Sunday.  I'm sure the FSSP and ICK and other diocesan approved groups will see this.  How many SSPX priests will be proclaiming the readings in the vernacular?
SSPX already does this in parts of France.😡


Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2021, 10:02:17 AM »
Ok, you tell me, is Bergoglio the head of the Catholic Church or conciliar church?
One pope for two churches (Tissier/Avrille)

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2021, 10:05:45 AM »
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Yes, it certainly is "business as usual". That's why we need to stop with the diabolic divisions of things which cannot be proven at this time and reflect on what Our Lord said: "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

I agree.  This thread is proof that instead of all of us just proclaiming, "Screw you, new-rome, Quo Primum is the answer", it turns into a sede-non-sede argument, which really, is of secondary importance to the TLM.  But such is human nature...

Offline Meg

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2021, 10:08:37 AM »
And I completely agree with that. I am not speaking as if sedevacantism is the only answer, or the correct answer, but the position I've found to be most logically consistent with the indefectibility of the Church. Just as others have found profession of these conciliar "popes" to be their most logically consistent position. Sedevacantist or sedeplenist, the line has been drawn in the sand through this move by Francis and we are all now considered "outside" of the Church.

Well, you are far more magnanimous than many of the sedes who post here. For some of them, sedeism (and sedewhateverism) is the only answer, and those who don't agree are not Catholic. This is known as dogmatic sedevacantism.

Though their vocalization of this view has not been so dominant lately, it will rear its ugly head eventually. It always does. They create a lot of division; far more, IMO, than those of us who take +ABL's view of the Crisis in the Church. If Trads want to take the sede stance, that's fine, but don't be pushy about it with those who don't accept it (I understand that you yourself are not pushy).

The division in the trad world isn't going to go away. We are too stubborn. That's why I believe that traditional Catholicism isn't necessarily the answer to the Crisis in the Church. But we can still love God with all of our heart and soul, and strive to speak the truth with charity, no matter what stance we take.