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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2021, 08:30:26 AM »
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2021, 08:31:19 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 16, 2021, 08:30:26 AM
I'll pray for you.
“The sede cries in pain as he strikes you!”
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2021, 08:35:34 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 16, 2021, 06:38:23 AM
What absolutely filth.  This is nothing but an attempt to destroy the Traditional movement ... BY HIS OWN ADMISSION ... denouncing those who reject the "legitimacy" of the V2 "reforms".

As with most Modernists, Bergoglio suddenly believes in EENS dogma, except that only Trads are outside the Church:

Of course, according to Bergoglio, practicing sodomites, adulterers, etc. can all be saved ... but not Traditionalists who are not united "with their heart" (i.e. accept Vatican II).

So the only thing that will put you outside of the Church and outside salvation is to be a Traditional Catholics.
.Vicar of Christ.
"With the heart" -that was exactly what I was going to address until I saw your post first. It was kind of Frank to define what that actually is- rejection of Vll, modernism and the apostasy of Bergoglio.
I hope independent Chapels have some extra bunks.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2021, 08:37:03 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 16, 2021, 08:11:54 AM
I mean, Bergs explicitly stated that any rejection of Vatican II was unacceptable last year. It was obvious this was coming. Now we're returning to the days like after Montini forced the new rite on everyone.

I am interested to see the mental gymnastics that will follow with those who insist the man is a pope of the CATHOLIC Church. I don't really care if I'm outside of the NOVUS ORDO church, I've known that already. But there is absolutely no way that he is part of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church, let alone its head.
It's really very simple - we have our souls to save, the status of the pope? - not our business.

I came across this a few days ago while looking for something else in Who Shall Ascend?......

"...The divisive aberration of Sedevacantism is due to nothing else than certain priests' losing sight of their proper roles in our present malaise. To save the Church from an heretical pope was never their assignment. Securing the Apostolic succession of the Church was never their assignment. What was their assignment? It was to take care of the people whom God sent them as best they could, say their prayers faithfully, study and pray that they might not themselves fall victim to the spirit of Liberalism and worldliness, and keep their torment and speculations to themselves. The hierarchical structure of the Church and the papacy are not their business. Such high matters are the province of none other than Christ Himself and His Mother and the Apostles...."
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2021, 08:55:51 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 16, 2021, 08:37:03 AM
It's really very simple - we have our souls to save, the status of the pope? - not our business.

I came across this a few days ago while looking for something else in Who Shall Ascend?......

"...The divisive aberration of Sedevacantism is due to nothing else than certain priests' losing sight of their proper roles in our present malaise. To save the Church from an heretical pope was never their assignment. Securing the Apostolic succession of the Church was never their assignment. What was their assignment? It was to take care of the people whom God sent them as best they could, say their prayers faithfully, study and pray that they might not themselves fall victim to the spirit of Liberalism and worldliness, and keep their torment and speculations to themselves. The hierarchical structure of the Church and the papacy are not their business. Such high matters are the province of none other than Christ Himself and His Mother and the Apostles...."
Unfortunately, it became their business once a revolution came from the top-down. Priests trying to defend their flocks is precisely why the sedevacantist thesis arose as an answer as to why heresy and error were coming out of the Vatican. It became the business of the bishop, priest and layman once the hierarchy apostatized from the traditional Catholic faith. This is true also of the R&R camp of Catholics, and is why a traditionalist "movement" exists at all.

Furthermore, this quote reads as if the doings of the Pope are utterly irrelevant to the average parish priest and layman. It is saturated with the papal minimalism of the Gallicans in the 19th century and the Modernists of today which try to reduce the Pope to that of a mere figurehead and not the rule of faith for the entire Church.
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