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Author Topic: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived  (Read 17385 times)

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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2021, 08:18:45 AM »
Church, or churchmen?
The latter can, have, are, and will continue to lead into error.

No, if that monstrosity is the Church then those are the OFFICIAL liturgies, OFFICIAL sacraments and OFFICIAL laws. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Sorry.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2021, 08:23:25 AM »
How about this whopper from the accompanying letter:

“I take comfort in this decision from the fact that, after the Council of Trent, St. Pius V also abrogated all the rites that could not claim a proven antiquity, establishing for the whole Latin Church a single Missale Romanum. For four centuries this Missale Romanum, promulgated by St. Pius V was thus the principal expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite, and functioned to maintain the unity of the Church.“

But Your Holiness, you are doing the exact OPPOSITE of what St. Pius V did: 

Rather than abrogating rites that could not claim a proven antiquity, you are abrogating a 1600 year-old rite, and establishing for the whole Latin Church a fabricated novelty (and pretending to do it by motu proprio against a papal bull declares you it’s author to be irrevocable).

And I note in passing the suggestion that the Missale Romanum promulgated by St. Pius V enjoyed only a 400 year usage in the Church, whereas in fact, in the main, it simply codified a rite already I use for 1,000 years.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2021, 08:23:58 AM »
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But how will it be a test of Faith for the younger generations if they don't know the issues with V2?  For them isn't the TLM just a liturgical "preference"?
I mis-typed.  When I said they "didn't know about V2" I meant that they didn't have any connection with the turbulent times of the 60s/70s, and the totalitarian/dictatorship atmosphere when the TLM was outlawed and the new mass installed.  They didn't see the lies of the Bishops at the time and the propaganda used. 
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...Much like today...we see the heavy-handed use of authority/control to push the virus lockdowns and threats against truth-speakers today...
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If you didn't live during V2, or hear of it from those that did, then all you know are what the "history books" say, which is, the nice fairy tale of "Well, people wanted an updated mass and everyone liked it right off the bat."
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My point is, yes, many of the younger generation do know what the problems are with V2.  But they only know such problems in theory.  They've yet to see the anti-TLM hatred of true V2 Modernists in action.  This will wake up many (I pray) to see the true devilish deceit in the new mass.  It's meant to replace the TLM; it's not an "updated" liturgy; and no one really likes it (except those who aren't true catholics).

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2021, 08:25:03 AM »
No, if that monstrosity is the Church then those are the OFFICIAL liturgies, OFFICIAL sacraments and OFFICIAL laws. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Sorry.
Which church?  Catholic or conciliar?
Ps: This cake tastes wonderful.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2021, 08:26:29 AM »
Yeah. I see that now. Anything but sedevacantism.
Definitely.