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Author Topic: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived  (Read 17093 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #245 on: July 18, 2021, 01:32:25 PM »
Father Robinson came to St. Benedict’s Church in Louisville several summers ago to announce from the pulpit that there is no salvation outside the SSPX.

Therefore, when he uses the word “tradition” he means the Society’s version of tradition.
I think I was there at that time, I know I met him, his mother introduced me to him, and yes I agree with you re: his idea of what tradition means - but per DL, it sounds as if he may have modified this idea. Hard to say for sure, this MP seems to have lit a fire under a few of the SSPX priests. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #246 on: July 18, 2021, 02:56:24 PM »
Interesting discussion about what Tradition means.

So, the original Modernists held that Tradition can be understood differently as time goes by.

But the neo-Modernists put a layer of misdirection on it.  "Yes, Tradition, but you have to understand it the way the Church understands it." ... and then proceed to impose their understanding onto it, claiming it's the Church's.

Thus you get where EENS actually means the opposite of EENS, so that if you hold fast to the actual words, it's heretical.  If you say that heretics, schismatics, infidels, etc. cannot be saved, you're actually a heretic ... despite the fact that it's precisely what the text says.  "See the Church understands by EENS that heretics and infidels CAN be saved, you silly heretic, you."

As various Modernist theologians put spins on things, that "theological consensus" became "how the Church understands it".  Which is where Cekadism falls apart.


Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #247 on: July 18, 2021, 03:05:22 PM »
Its almost as if having this absence of a true Pope, or orthodox Pope, is precisely why we cannot have a true definition of tradition over the past 60+ years, because there's no one competent to define it or embody it.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #248 on: July 18, 2021, 04:17:28 PM »
Even Ratzinger's Motu left it to the bishops.

Ratzinger:  permitted unless denied.

Please provide the evidence for this.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #249 on: July 18, 2021, 04:25:31 PM »

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We should pray that it is now time for the liberals to retreat.
With the hopes of a deal now gone, maybe they’ll just leave for the dioceses or FSSP?

That's naive.  Liberals never give up power.  They are out to destroy the sspx; they won't leave, they'll wait.