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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #170 on: July 17, 2021, 03:04:13 AM »
You know, my question to you was sincere. The bolded was unnecessary.  
The same question was on my mind, and I am not a sede.
I think things will eventually come back through prayer and suffering. I think there is no other way.

Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #171 on: July 17, 2021, 04:46:29 AM »
Reminds me of those sub rosa video recordings made inside Mormon temples, where the men wear white robes, Masonic-type aprons, and what look like flat bakers' hats with that poofy thing on top.



Yuck.
Both are false religions made by man so it's unsurprising temporal evils stain them. The Masonic iconography/symbology seems to permeate these worldly cults.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #172 on: July 17, 2021, 05:04:16 AM »
The whole world holds that CÖVÌD 19 is an existential threat to the human race.  The whole world holds that the vaccines are safe.  The whole world holds that Catholic doctrine can evolve and even contradict what was previously believed.  No one is disputing that the Novus Ordo sect contradicts traditional Catholic doctrine.  So the burden of proof is on you to prove that a true pope can overthrow Catholic doctrine.  All the doctors of the Church say it is not possible.  You have to prove that all the doctors are wrong.  St Robert is not on your side.  He believed that God would never allow a true pope to fall into heresy.  But he admitted that if he were wrong about that, a heretical pope would ipso facto lose his office.  But no doctor or father of the Church ever believed or taught that a manifest heretic could be ELECTED to the Roman See.  That's insanity.  Almost as insane as you calling Whoregαy, "Your Holiness".  So you have to argue either a) Whoregαy isn't heretical or b) all the doctors of the Church were wrong when they taught that a heretical pope would ipso facto lose office.  (See St Robert, St Alphonsus and St Francis de Sales among others).  But how are you going to prove that a manifest heretic could be ELECTED to the Roman See?  Or that once elected, the heretic's claim on the Roman See is a dogmatic fact?  The gig is up, Sean.  The notorious Siscoe and Salza are sunk.  For the sake of your own sanity, you need to break out of the Stockholm Syndrome attitude that has entangled you with a disgusting perverted heretic who claims the Roman See.  His claim is no more believable (nay, less believable) than Pope Michael's claim in Kansas.  Anyone who thinks Whoregαy is the pope is certifiable.
The sedes look at this whole thing with sede eyes, By that I mean they engage a strictly sede mindset to all these things, and then they see only what they already believe, and what they do not believe, they do not see. That's just the way it is, I am not making this up.

For example, St. Robert said if a pope  ever did fall into heresy, ipso facto he loses his office. Yet one of the greatest of all popes, St. Pius X in Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis, legislated that a heretic could indeed be elected pope. All the popes since then have all legislated the same thing.

This is only one puny example of many.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #173 on: July 17, 2021, 06:21:15 AM »
Louis Verrecchio's take on Frank's Motu Proprio

via akaCatholic:

This lays out exactly what I've been saying.

It's very obvious that Bergoglio was attempting/intending to abrogate the Tridentine Mass, and at the same time he declared those who considered V2 and the NOM illegitimate to be outside the Church.

This isn't just about the conditions for being able to offer the Mass.  This Motu represents Bergoglio's clear and explicit repudiation of Tradition.  It couldn't be clearer.

Recall Archbishop Lefebvre's statements that it is THEY who are schismatics because they have cut themselves off from Tradition.  To this point, it's been implicit.  Bergoglio just made his schism implicit and manifest.

Bergoglio:
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Vatican Council II, while it reaffirmed the external bonds of incorporation in the Church — the profession of faith, the sacraments, of communion — affirmed with St. Augustine that to remain in the Church not only “with the body” but also “with the heart” is a condition for salvation.

So, for Bergoglio, sodomites and atheists can all be saved ... and only those who reject Vatican II don't have this "condition for salvation".

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bergoglio's New Motu Proprio on TLM Has Arrived
« Reply #174 on: July 17, 2021, 06:26:24 AM »
This Motu is pure evil.

What happened to Francis' "Who am I to judge?"  He does nothing BUT judge Traditional Catholics.

I wait in eager anticipation of +Vigano's responses.

Also, I'm curious about what the SSPX will say about this.