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Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
« on: August 24, 2021, 04:44:25 PM »
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    • Francis’ second commission on deaconesses, appointed in April 2020, will meet for the first time in mid-September in Rome for a full week, according to media reports.

    The first commission confirmed in 2019 that known historical fact that the deaconesses of the first centuries were like social workers, without sacramental ordination and blessed with a different prayer than liturgical deacons.

    The new group is led by L'Aquila Cardinal Petrocchi and includes - as was the case for the first commission – educated opponents of deaconesses like Father Manfred Hauke who teaches theology in Lugano, Switzerland. The questions remains unanswered why there was a need for a second commission.


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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #1 on: August 24, 2021, 04:45:52 PM »
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    • It's interesting to note that most schismatic and/or heretical groups eventually wind up "ordaining" women. Just look at the Old Catholics.
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #2 on: August 24, 2021, 04:50:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 24, 2021, 04:45:52 PM
    It's interesting to note that most schismatic and/or heretical groups eventually wind up "ordaining" women. Just look at the Old Catholics.

    Even though it’s a commission on deaconesses for now, I wonder how the NO will square away their eventual ordaining of female “priests” with “St.” Wojtyla’s “Papal” pronouncement.


    “Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.”
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #3 on: August 24, 2021, 05:02:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Hermes on August 24, 2021, 04:50:30 PM
    Even though it’s a commission on deaconesses for now, I wonder how the NO will square away their eventual ordaining of female “priests” with “St.” Wojtyla’s “Papal” pronouncement.
    Probably completely overlook it just like Paul VI did with Quo Primum and Bergoglio did again while even referencing it in Traditiones Cojones.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #4 on: August 24, 2021, 05:15:41 PM »
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    • Bergoglio’s plan for Traditionalists


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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #5 on: August 24, 2021, 05:17:01 PM »
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #6 on: August 24, 2021, 05:43:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Hermes on August 24, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
    The questions remains unanswered why there was a need for a second commission.



    Well, it couldn't be more obvious.  Bergoglio didn't like the answer from the first commission. "Try again."
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #7 on: August 24, 2021, 05:45:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 24, 2021, 05:02:32 PM
    Probably completely overlook it just like Paul VI did with Quo Primum and Bergoglio did again while even referencing it in Traditiones Cojones.

    Right, just delete it from vatican.va.  If Wojtyla had been pope, that would constitute an infallible teaching.
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #8 on: August 24, 2021, 07:07:45 PM »
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    • Novus Ordo is already doing this with women.  They lead Masses, hand out communion etc. 
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #9 on: August 24, 2021, 07:15:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Hermes on August 24, 2021, 04:50:30 PM
    Even though it’s a commission on deaconesses for now, I wonder how the NO will square away their eventual ordaining of female “priests” with “St.” Wojtyla’s “Papal” pronouncement.
    :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:  That's so behind the times.  The New church could not care less about squaring any teaching with anything taught in the past, even by their vaunted "saints".
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #10 on: August 24, 2021, 10:55:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 24, 2021, 07:07:45 PM
    Novus Ordo is already doing this with women.  They lead Masses, hand out communion etc.

    Precisely, female "Eucharistic Lay Ministers" are the shot for the "Deaconesses" chaser. If people weren't able to figure out how "Eucharistic Lay Ministers" (male, let's set aside the other issues) eroded the office of the priesthood and belief of Real Presence in Eucharist...
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #11 on: August 24, 2021, 11:34:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Hermes on August 24, 2021, 05:15:41 PM
    Bergoglio’s plan for Traditionalists




    That's what the Masons say.  "All Catholics must die"

    Okay, bring it on.   We'll go down fighting... and you'll go to Hell
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    Re: Bergoglian Commission On Deaconesses
    « Reply #12 on: August 24, 2021, 11:36:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Hermes on August 24, 2021, 05:17:01 PM


    Gee, it's hard for me to pray for him now :facepalm:
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