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Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2022, 03:52:29 PM »
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  • Fathers should consecrate their families to the Immaculate Heart tomorrow in reparation for this blasphemy along with the blasphemies already made to Our Lady. I'm certain she will throw her mantle over us and our own during whatever follows this latest offense.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #31 on: March 24, 2022, 04:17:15 PM »
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  • Fathers should consecrate their families to the Immaculate Heart tomorrow in reparation for this blasphemy along with the blasphemies already made to Our Lady. I'm certain she will throw her mantle over us and our own during whatever follows this latest offense.

    Agreed.  Fathers and hopefully the Mothers as well ... if possible.  That would be the family equivalent of a Pope and a Bishop.  I'm already working on our consecration formula ... hint: I'm not using Beroglio's.  Mine will be very short and to the point.  I don't want the kids to fall asleep a quarter of the way through it.


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #32 on: March 24, 2022, 04:32:45 PM »
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  • Agreed.  Fathers and hopefully the Mothers as well ... if possible.  That would be the family equivalent of a Pope and a Bishop.  I'm already working on our consecration formula ... hint: I'm not using Beroglio's.  Mine will be very short and to the point.  I don't want the kids to fall asleep a quarter of the way through it.
    Since my wife isn't Catholic, mine will be short, quiet, but done in their presence since my prayer area is right on the bookshelf in our living room. There's already a prayer to the Immaculate Heart for loved ones that I do every Sunday after Mass that I might base it on. I'll see what God inspires me to do.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #33 on: March 24, 2022, 11:34:10 PM »
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  • Quote
    What “terra del Cielo” literally means is “the land in the sky”… 
    No, this is not the translation. 

    Tu, terra (earth) del Cielo (Heaven/God).


    This is symbolic language (which is difficult to express in a foreign language). Earth and Heaven become one in God (capital c - Cielo) /Heaven  through Mary. Earth and Heaven become one.  Communion of Earth and Heaven is reestablished through Mary. She is the vehicle, like Jacob’s ladder. Earth and Heaven (Cielo) become one in Mary.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #34 on: March 24, 2022, 11:52:55 PM »
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  • I should also have said that there is no word in Italian for Heaven except for Cielo, which is also the word for sky.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Offline SolHero

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #35 on: March 25, 2022, 02:10:50 AM »
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  • No, this is not the translation.

    Tu, terra (earth) del Cielo (Heaven/God).


    This is symbolic language (which is difficult to express in a foreign language). Earth and Heaven become one in God (capital c - Cielo) /Heaven  through Mary. Earth and Heaven become one.  Communion of Earth and Heaven is reestablished through Mary. She is the vehicle, like Jacob’s ladder. Earth and Heaven (Cielo) become one in Mary.
    The English version says "Queen of Heaven, restore God’s peace to the world". Queen Of Heaven can be easily translated in to Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. Why use a different title?

    In Spanish, for example, it says "vuelve a traer la armonía de Dios al mundo" which means "bring back God's harmony to the world" which is different from "restore God’s peace to the world". Bring back instead of restore, harmony instead of peace. It is not using words that do not exist in these other languages.


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #36 on: March 25, 2022, 03:11:33 AM »
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  • “Various versions of Pope Francis’ consecration of Russia and Ukraine (and the whole world) have an address to Tierra del Cielo, which oddly translates “Earth of Heaven.” Is this a title for the Blessed Virgin Mary or Pachamama? Dr. Taylor Marshall explores Latin and Byzantine texts for answers.”
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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #37 on: March 25, 2022, 03:20:28 AM »
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  • The English version says "Queen of Heaven, restore God’s peace to the world". Queen Of Heaven can be easily translated in to Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. Why use a different title?
    You have it back to front. The prayer is written in Italian, not English, or Spanish. So why speak of translating the English into Italian. There is no Italian word for Heaven except, cielo. Cielo with a capital C is referring to God. There is no word harmony. Rather the Italian is concordia meaning with hearts / hearts in unison..  
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #38 on: March 25, 2022, 06:42:25 AM »
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  • No, this is not the translation.

    Tu, terra (earth) del Cielo (Heaven/God).


    This is symbolic language (which is difficult to express in a foreign language). Earth and Heaven become one in God (capital c - Cielo) /Heaven  through Mary. Earth and Heaven become one.  Communion of Earth and Heaven is reestablished through Mary. She is the vehicle, like Jacob’s ladder. Earth and Heaven (Cielo) become one in Mary.

    What the phrase connotes is completely beside the point.  Clearly "land of Heaven" doesn't make any sense as the title of a person without such a  connotation, and yet it is also used of Pachamama, and I doubt this expression has ever been used of Our Lady in these languages.

    When I google the term, most search results that come up have it being names for various apartment complexes, so one can infer that it means something like "heaven on earth," and not a reference to Jacob's ladder.

    What's at issue is whether the expression has traditionally been used of Our Lady.  I can't find any reference to Our Lady as ever being called that before Bergoglio's use of the term.  If you Google "tierra del cielo Blessed Virgin Mary" ... you STILL get apartment complexes as the top term ... which suggests that the term is not associated with Our Lady (since otherwise those search results containing the combination would come up first).  When I change the search term to "tierra del cielo Maria" and "tierra del cielo Virgen Maria" (getting rid of the English), apart from references to Bergoglio's consecration, the only thing that comes up is "Reina del Cielo y la Tierra" (Queen of Heaven and of Earth).  Please find one reference to Our Lady as "tierra del cielo" and I might think this isn't BS.

    Whoever translated this into English (presumably someone proficient in both languages) as "Queen of Heaven" probably was utterly confused about the expression, since it was completely unfamiliar as a title for Our Blessed Mother, and so took a swag at this being a reference to "Riena del Cielo y la Tierra".

    If this is NOT a known title for Our Lady (and I have seen no reference to it being such) while being a known title of Pachamama (that has been demonstrated), then the problem stands.

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #39 on: March 25, 2022, 07:27:53 AM »
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  • I just started listening to Taylor Marshall and he tried looking through all his books and resources for any use of this title of Our Lady and came up empty.  Closest thing he found was in an Eastern "Akathist Hymn" as a circuмlocution, not as any kind of title.  So it stands that there's no known use of this title for Our Blessed Mother, while there is known use of it for Pachamama.  Bergoglio is CLEARLY invoking Pachamama again, trying to conflate Oud Lady with that demonic idol.

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #40 on: March 25, 2022, 07:29:49 AM »
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  • Wasn't Ladislaus somewhere saying not to participate? 

    Here's someone who agrees, and apparently he wrote this before he learned about the Pachamama reference in the text:

    ARE YOU ABOUT TO BE CONSECRATED TO SATAN?

    If Bergoglio is consecrating "humanity" to "“terra del Cielo”  [i.e. Pachamama] it sounds like a yes. 
    I think I posted that we could be involved in consecrating the world to evil. That’s not good.  Then if we are all praying , it could backfire.  Only God knows.  After going to a funeral at novus Ordo , it’s only going to get worse.  God is going to punish us big time unless the everyone repents. 
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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #41 on: March 25, 2022, 07:50:18 AM »
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  • I think I posted that we could be involved in consecrating the world to evil. That’s not good.  Then if we are all praying , it could backfire.  Only God knows.  After going to a funeral at novus Ordo , it’s only going to get worse.  God is going to punish us big time unless the everyone repents.

    At the very least, Bergoglio is praying for a wordly peace ... a peace that allows sin and error to continue, and makes zero reference to humanity's offenses against God, just offenses against neighbor by fighting and wars, and even offenses against the environment.  It's a disgusting insult to God and Our Blessed Mother.

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #42 on: March 25, 2022, 08:43:16 AM »
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  • At the very least, Bergoglio is praying for a wordly peace ... a peace that allows sin and error to continue, and makes zero reference to humanity's offenses against God, just offenses against neighbor by fighting and wars, and even offenses against the environment.  It's a disgusting insult to God and Our Blessed Mother.

    I agree...  This is about the sins against the "community of nations", the ravaging of mother earth, the intolerance and indifferentism toward "peaceful" sodomites... 

    This is the "COEXIST" bumper sticker "consecration".  

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #43 on: March 25, 2022, 09:04:06 AM »
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  • Never did Francis or the Vatican state that this was the Fatima consecration of Russia (which they believe JPII did already), tradservatives are reading into it because it focuses on Russia and a NO hierarch is saying it in Fatima. As with most Roman edicts of apparent orthodoxy, they are "interpreting it in the light of tradition" or sifting it to suit their needs.

    When you have orthodox priests and bishops, such as +Jenkins and +Williamson calling it out as the worldly political move that it is.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #44 on: March 25, 2022, 09:15:39 AM »
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  • I have read scripture that we shouldn’t be yoked with anyone that is a un repenting, sodomite, adulterer, thief etc. 
    May God bless you and keep you