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« on: February 26, 2014, 10:24:58 AM »
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    Pope Benedict Addresses Rumors, Denies Being Pressured To Quit And Explains His Clothes
    02/26/14 04:35 AM ET
    Retired Pope Benedict XVI says his decision to quit last year was his alone -- that he wasn't pressured, that he's not the victim of a conspiracy and that any speculation otherwise is "simply absurd."

    Writing to La Stampa newspaper, the emeritus pope also said there's just one pope right now, and it's not him. It's Pope Francis.

    Andrea Tornielli, a reporter for the newspaper, wrote to Benedict to ask about the speculation that still surrounds the decision to become the first pope to retire in nearly 600 years. According to the Vatican Insider website, which is operated by La Stampa, Benedict sent a written reply within two days.

    "There is absolutely no doubt regarding the validity of my resignation from the Petrine ministry,” he wrote. "The only condition for the validity of my resignation is the complete freedom of my decision."

    Benedict also explained why he continues to wear the robes associated with the papacy.

    “I continue to wear the white cassock and kept the name Benedict for purely practical reasons," he wrote. "At the moment of my resignation there were no other clothes available."

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    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 12:48:55 PM »
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    “I continue to wear the white cassock and kept the name Benedict for purely practical reasons," he wrote. "At the moment of my resignation there were no other clothes available."


    This part is actually really funny, but absurd (disingenuous?).  I'm sure that someone could have dug up a nice black cassock for him.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 06:41:07 PM »
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  • I expect that comment was tongue in cheek.  

    And really, why should he not dress as he does?  There is very little precedent for this.  
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    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 07:50:40 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    You mean white cassocks are in style? That means Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal are on the cutting edge of high fashion.  Won't they be thrilled to learn of their success???!!!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 07:52:14 PM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre used to wear the white cassock.  I wish it had been the other kind of white cassock though.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 07:56:38 PM »
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    You mean white cassocks are in style? That means Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal are on the cutting edge of high fashion.  Won't they be thrilled to learn of their success???!!!


    Nah, they're just lobbying for the papacy.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 08:55:51 PM »
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    :dancing-banana:
    You mean white cassocks are in style? That means Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal are on the cutting edge of high fashion.  Won't they be thrilled to learn of their success???!!!


    Nah, they're just lobbying for the papacy.


     :roll-laugh1:That will really liven things up around the Vatican!  Co-popes Pfeiffer and Chazal!?  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 09:24:43 PM »
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    There is very little precedent for this.  


    That's an understatement.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 11:08:35 PM »
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    There's more than one way to look at this:

    Quote from: Ladislaus
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    “I continue to wear the white cassock and kept the name Benedict for purely practical reasons," he wrote. "At the moment of my resignation there were no other clothes available."


    This part is actually really funny, but absurd (disingenuous?).  I'm sure that someone could have dug up a nice black cassock for him.


    Don't miss the context of tense.  "I continue to wear..." is the present tense.  "At the moment of my resignation there were..." is the past tense.  

    The reason HE IS GIVING for having done that in the PAST does not necessarily have anything to do with the the PRESENT situation, that is, why he continues to wear white and by extension, why he continues to keep the name, "Benedict," may logically have nothing to do with why he had done so AT THE TIME of his abdication.  -- Oh, oh:  it wasn't a resignation unless he was turning over his office to some competitor.  Does that mean that Francis was the obvious runner-up all along, the one to whom Ratzinger RESIGNED?  

    The fact is, he is the first pope in history to abdicate AND to keep his papal name.  Furthermore, as this quote reminds us, he is the first pope in history to abdicate and to SAY that he "resigned." The previous popes who abdicated reverted back to their pre-papal names.   Add that fact to the mix and you get a different message, IMHO.

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    I expect that comment was tongue in cheek.  

    And really, why should he not dress as he does?  There is very little precedent for this.  


    I suppose you could think of it as "tongue-in-cheek," but this should not be a laughing matter, or a time for clever jokes.  He is WRITING a response there, not speaking it, and he knows that what is WRITTEN endures, while words spoken "fly."  

    All that considered, it appears all the more likely that history will look back on this as telling us something that isn't so obvious.  For as to what was "available," certainly his erstwhile name, "Joseph Ratzinger" would have been available, that is, unless the word "available" is taken to mean something a bit other than what we may presume it to mean, for example.  

    "Oh, but he wasn't talking about 'available' in regards to his name but only his wardrobe!" -you might be wont to contend.  But look again:  “'I continue to wear the white cassock and kept the name Benedict for purely practical reasons,' he wrote.”

    What he wrote was that the reason(s) for having kept the name 'Benedict' and the reason(s) for having kept wearing white are the same reason(s).  And of what category are those reasons?  They are all practical reasons.  But not only practical, but PURELY practical.  

    How many times in his lifetime has erstwhile Joseph Ratzinger employed the word "PURELY?"  And he is not given to exaggeration.  He has always been subtle, understated and resolute, which tends to give power to words which when spoken by others given to hyperbole, seem more like flagrant hyperbole, instead of words with power.  When he says "purely," he means "purely," or without any admixture of other things that don't belong.  He means the reasons were "practical" to the exclusion of other categories, such as "convenient" or "necessary" or "political" or "environmental" or "theological" or "valid."  


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    « Reply #9 on: February 27, 2014, 02:50:06 AM »
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  • Only the Trad clothes police could tell a man they still insist is the Pope what to wear. :roll-laugh1:

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    « Reply #10 on: February 27, 2014, 03:16:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Archbishop Lefebvre used to wear the white cassock.  I wish it had been the other kind of white cassock though.


    Apparently the world didn't deserve the grace of another St. Pius X.

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    « Reply #11 on: February 27, 2014, 04:18:58 AM »
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    For a Modernist (like Joseph Ratzinger, beyond doubt, in case anyone has any), something done for 'PURELY PRACTICAL' reasons is something done for a set of reasons that does not EXCLUDE motives such as disguising, or hiding from view, or keeping a secret, or misleading, or protecting a higher value, or saving money, or winning a bet, or deception, or foreswearing, or instilling a distraction, or avoiding war, or, maybe even reasons at the exclusion of perjury.

    Reasons done for a set of reasons that don't exclude reasons at the exclusion of perjury, is not an impossible ingredient.  But for a saint, it WOULD be impossible.



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    « Reply #12 on: February 27, 2014, 03:54:08 PM »
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  • And there were no other names available?

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    « Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 04:44:27 PM »
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  • His suit was at the cleaners.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 06:32:17 PM »
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    His suit was at the cleaners.



     :laugh1:
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir