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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2020, 03:43:09 PM »
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  • Actually the term "Resignationists" should be applied for those who believe the resignation was valid. Those who believe the resignation was not valid would be "Non-Resignationists".
    That might be more logical, but I'm fairly certain that the term used for those who think he didn't really resign is "Resignationists". I also could have used the term "Bennyvacantists".  Regardless, concerning oneself with the most accurate term misses the more important point:  that this particular group of people who think Benny is (still) pope has been completely and utterly fooled.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #16 on: January 21, 2020, 05:46:35 PM »
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  • That might be more logical, but I'm fairly certain that the term used for those who think he didn't really resign is "Resignationists". I also could have used the term "Bennyvacantists".  Regardless, concerning oneself with the most accurate term misses the more important point:  that this particular group of people who think Benny is (still) pope has been completely and utterly fooled.
    Actually Mr. G was correct if only you could persuade yourself TO BELIEVE YOUR OWN WORDS which are "that might be more logical" you would be able to help yourself out.   BENNYresignationist means that you believe that Pope Benedict did in fact fully, validly and properly resign.
    Hope that Mr. G and I could help you to figure this out.


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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #17 on: January 21, 2020, 05:52:43 PM »
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  • Actually Mr. G was correct if only you could persuade yourself TO BELIEVE YOUR OWN WORDS which are "that might be more logical" you would be able to help yourself out.   BENNYresignationist means that you believe that Pope Benedict did in fact fully, validly and properly resign.
    Hope that Mr. G and I could help you to figure this out.
    My point still stands: the term is inconsequential.  The real issue is that that group of people were completely fooled.  I'm willing to bet that you are among the fooled.  ;)

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #18 on: January 21, 2020, 05:59:20 PM »
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  • Actually Mr. G was correct if only you could persuade yourself TO BELIEVE YOUR OWN WORDS which are "that might be more logical" you would be able to help yourself out.   BENNYresignationist means that you believe that Pope Benedict did in fact fully, validly and properly resign.
    Hope that Mr. G and I could help you to figure this out.

    If she used logic to determine what Benevacantist and Bennyresignationist means she would only be right 50% of the time, since the Benevecantists to believe Benedict occupies the chair.  A more logical name for their absurd theory would be Francisvacantism.
    "Schismatics are in another Church even if they agree with the true Church of Christ in faith and doctrine." (Bellarmine, De Ecclesia Militante cap v)

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #19 on: January 21, 2020, 06:11:18 PM »
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  • If she used logic to determine what Benevacantist and Bennyresignationist means she would only be right 50% of the time, since the Benevecantists to believe Benedict occupies the chair.  A more logical name for their absurd theory would be Francisvacantism.
    Heh...to be fair, that is probably the more accurate term....or maybe Bergogliovacantism.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #20 on: January 21, 2020, 06:45:58 PM »
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  • I'm willing to bet that you are among the fooled.  ;)
    ARMCHAIR says you just lost a bet.

     

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #21 on: January 22, 2020, 01:00:28 PM »
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  • Heh...to be fair, that is probably the more accurate term....or maybe Bergogliovacantism.  
    No, even that term would not be technically accurate as that would be assuming Borgolio occupied the Chair at one point and has since vacated it. 
    "Bergolio sedeusurpist" if you believe Benedict is the Pope.
    "Benny Vacantist" is actually for those that believe Francis is Pope. 

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #22 on: January 22, 2020, 01:17:00 PM »
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  • I like beneplenism.

    Or how about ...

    beneplenebergogliovacantism ?


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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #23 on: January 22, 2020, 01:21:29 PM »
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  • beneplenism (See is filled with Benedict), or a longer form benesedeplensim.

    AND the see if vacant of Bergoglio

    sedebeneplenebergogliovacantism  (see is filled with Benedict and empty of Bergoglio)

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #24 on: January 22, 2020, 01:28:32 PM »
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  • beneplenism (See is filled with Benedict), or a longer form benesedeplensim.

    AND the see if vacant of Bergoglio

    sedebeneplenebergogliovacantism  (see is filled with Benedict and empty of Bergoglio)
    Yes, sedebeneplenebergogliovacantismthis seems to be most accurate!

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #25 on: January 22, 2020, 03:38:29 PM »
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  • Yes, sedebeneplenebergogliovacantism this seems to be most accurate!

    Now we just need to say this quickly ten times.


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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #26 on: January 22, 2020, 03:41:30 PM »
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  • LOL this thread

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #27 on: January 22, 2020, 03:47:06 PM »
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  • For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #28 on: January 22, 2020, 05:39:59 PM »
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  • Yes, the terms "bennyvacantist" and "resignationist" are really not correct English form, and yes it bothers me too, but I think we're stuck with them.
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    I guess we could say "Bennyoccupantism", but other people on this forum have already provided shorter and more convenient terms than me. :laugh2:

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    Re: Benedict XVI is still the Pope
    « Reply #29 on: January 22, 2020, 05:44:41 PM »
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  • Yes, the terms "bennyvacantist" and "resignationist" are really not correct English form, and yes it bothers me too, but I think we're stuck with them.
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    I guess we could say "Bennyoccupantism", but other people on this forum have already provided shorter and more convenient terms than me. :laugh2:

    I just think that people wanted to come up with a shorthand, even if a bit inaccurate, for this:

    sedebeneplenebergogliovacantism

    I think that "nonresignationists" would work also, though, since everything hinges on whether Benedict actually resigned ... but I think people want to cast this as a variant of sedevacantism vs. sedepleism, so they felt the need to get either "sede" or "vacantist" in there somehow.

    I think that another term that might work would be "sedimpeditists".  Bergoglio was impeded from occupying the See by virtue of the fact that Benedict was still in it.