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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #300 on: January 07, 2023, 12:54:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on January 07, 2023, 12:50:51 PM
    I asked some honest questions about your positions since I'm relatively new on this forum.
    If you don't feel like answering them that's fine but why respond in such a pointless way?
    I do apologize, I gave you a reply that I should have given to QVD. I will give you a reply to that post.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #301 on: January 07, 2023, 12:57:19 PM »
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    • Did God give the Catholic Church the commission to interpret His Divine Law?  If so, wouldn't that include determining who can be a pope and who can not?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #302 on: January 07, 2023, 01:01:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 12:51:13 PM
    No 2V, not semantics, Divine Law means one thing and one thing only - namely, a Law given to us directly from the mouth of God. Whoever did not know this, knows it now.

    I point blank asked Fr. Cekada which Divine Law he and his sources were referring to, and like everyone else here, he totally ignored the question as if I never asked it. There is no doubt in my mind that a) he fully knew what a Divine Law is and b) he ignored answering the question on purpose.....the same as is happening here.

    Is it Divine law that a woman can’t be a priest? 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #303 on: January 07, 2023, 01:03:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on January 07, 2023, 12:30:48 PM
    Stubborn, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
    1) Do you believe that JPII, Ratzinger and Begoglio are all legitimate popes and as
    such we should show unwavering obedience to them?
    2) If Bergoglio and any future papal claimant mandates the NO mass exclusively
    are you on board with that?
    3) Do you believe that we should just ignore the heretical statements and actions of
    these men or do you believe they haven't committed heresey?

    4) The only clear and consistent thing I've arrived at from reading your many posts
    is that this minuscule small group of Catholics who call themselves sedevacantists are in schism.
     
    1) Yes, they are all legitimate popes and no as regards unwavering obedience to them, see my signature as it explains the Church's principle regarding our obedience.

    2) No, never. The NO "mass" is not Catholic.

    3) As far as I am concerned, they've all been heretics, apostates and anti-Catholic conspirators.

    4) Not according to me, but it *is* according the the Church, the Magisterium, Ex Quo and popes (all of whom cannot teach error) that to omit the name of the pope in the canon of the Mass for whatever reason, causes disunity and is an act of schism. Always has been, always will be. Again, that is not according to me.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #304 on: January 07, 2023, 01:04:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on January 07, 2023, 12:50:33 PM
    Why don’t you tell us, since they don’t?

    Answer me first, “smart” guy, is it Divine law that a woman can’t be a priest?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #305 on: January 07, 2023, 01:04:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 01:01:55 PM
    Is it Divine law that a woman can’t be a priest?
    Which Divine Law states a heretic cannot be pope?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #306 on: January 07, 2023, 01:07:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 01:04:33 PM
    Answer me first, “smart” guy, is it Divine law that a woman can’t be a priest?

    There’s a bit of a divine law line I’m afraid, and you’re at the counter, and I’m a bit further back.

    So do resolve your issue first, and I’ll move up.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #307 on: January 07, 2023, 01:08:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 01:04:36 PM
    Which Divine Law states a heretic cannot be pope?

    Peter was commissioned to confirm his brethren in the Faith. Obviously that would be incompatible and contradictory to his mission if he were a heretic teaching false doctrine.

    So now, please tell me if a woman can be ordained a priest? If not, why not?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #308 on: January 07, 2023, 01:11:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on January 07, 2023, 01:07:52 PM
    There’s a bit of a divine law line I’m afraid, and you’re at the counter, and I’m a bit further back.

    So do resolve your issue first, and I’ll move up.

    Answered above. Now “smart” guy, please tell me: Can a woman can be ordained a priest? If not, why not? Is it based on Divine Law?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #309 on: January 07, 2023, 01:12:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 07, 2023, 12:57:19 PM
    Did God give the Catholic Church the commission to interpret His Divine Law?  If so, wouldn't that include determining who can be a pope and who can not?
    I would like to know this too. God decrees the law and the Church defends, preserves and enforces it through censures, penalties and teachings. Interprets? I don't know.

    Well, papal elections are an act of Church Administration, not Divine Law or Divine Election, which is not to say Divine Intervention cannot happen, but we can say with certainty literally any cardinal heretic or not, could be elected according to the laws of papal elections as established by the popes themselves.  
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #310 on: January 07, 2023, 01:15:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 01:08:19 PM
    Peter was commissioned to confirm his brethren in the Faith. Obviously that would be incompatible and contradictory to his mission if he were a heretic teaching false doctrine.

    So now, please tell me if a woman can be ordained a priest? If not, why not?
    Still waiting to hear which Divine Law states a heretic cannot be pope.

    By now, you really should simply admit as I have, that you have no idea which Divine Law. While you're at it, why not also admit you have no idea what the purpose of sedeism is or how it profits anyone unto salvation.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #311 on: January 07, 2023, 01:18:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 01:15:28 PM
    Still waiting to hear which Divine Law states a heretic cannot be pope.

    By now, you really should simply admit as I have, that you have no idea which Divine Law. While you're at it, why not also admit you have no idea what the purpose of sedeism is or how it profits anyone unto salvation.

    😂😂😂 You and DR are too much! Anything but sedevacantism. You’d burn down every dogma just to say that the perverted communist in white is a pope! That is truly sick. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #312 on: January 07, 2023, 01:23:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 01:15:28 PM
    Still waiting to hear which Divine Law states a heretic cannot be pope.

    By now, you really should simply admit as I have, that you have no idea which Divine Law. While you're at it, why not also admit you have no idea what the purpose of sedeism is or how it profits anyone unto salvation.

    On second thought, I just came to the conclusion that you debate and “reason” similar to a modernist. Logic and common sense are completely set aside in order for your house of cards to be maintained. Stubborn try not to lie to yourself, it’s not very becoming.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #313 on: January 07, 2023, 01:24:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 01:11:53 PM
    Answered above. Now “smart” guy, please tell me: Can a woman can be ordained a priest? If not, why not? Is it based on Divine Law?

    So, like Daly, you are arguing from what you say are necessary conclusions from Scripture, and for you that’s Luke 22:32.

    Was that so hard for you? So much of the above was unnecessary.

    As to your question, I don’t know. I do know the Church teaches a woman can’t, and I do not question it. Since I have not made the assertion that it is divine law, I don’t need to source the claim.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #314 on: January 07, 2023, 01:27:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
    😂😂😂 You and DR are too much! Anything but sedevacantism. You’d burn down every dogma just to say that the perverted communist in white is a pope! That is truly sick. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

    Get a bigger handle, Quo.
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