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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #285 on: January 07, 2023, 12:24:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 12:16:34 PM
    Stubborn, this isn’t fun and games. I will quote what the theologians say AGAIN:

    “Heretics and schismatics are barred from the Supreme Pontificate by the divine law itself… [T]hey must certainly be regarded as excluded from occupying the throne of the Apostolic See, which is the infallible teacher of the truth of the faith and the center of ecclesiastical unity.” (Maroto, Institutiones I.C. 2:784)

    “Appointment to the Office of the Primacy. 1. What is required by divine law for this appointment… Also required for validity is that the one elected be a member of the Church; hence, heretics and apostates (at least public ones) are excluded.” (Coronata, Institutiones I.C. 1:312)
    “All those who are not impeded by divine law or by an invalidating ecclesiastical law are validly eligible [to be elected pope]. Wherefore, a male who enjoys use of reason sufficient to accept election and exercise jurisdiction, and who is a true member of the Church can be validly elected, even though he be only a layman. Excluded as incapable of valid election, however, are all women, children who have not yet arrived at the age of discretion, those afflicted with habitual insanity, heretics and schismatics.” (Wernz-Vidal, Jus Can. 2:415)

    You of course will dismiss them because YOU are your own pope. YOU decide what is divine law because YOU are more qualified and are the ultimate authority. :facepalm:

    I’m a reasonable man, if you can find a single pre VII authority that supports your position, I will look at your evidence, evaluate it and possibly reconsider my position. Get to work…..
    Why do you ignore my questions? Why do you bring up my position when my position has nothing to do with anything?

    Pretend I am considering becoming a sede with the questions I am asking for myself and on behalf of all those also thinking of becoming a sede. I will put the questions in caps this time......

    “Heretics and schismatics are barred from the Supreme Pontificate by the divine law itself…"
    WHICH DIVINE LAW?

    WHAT PURPOSE DOES SEDEISM SERVE AND HOW DOES IT PROFIT SOULS UNTO SALVATION?

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #286 on: January 07, 2023, 12:30:48 PM »
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    • Stubborn, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
    Do you believe that JPII, Ratzinger and Begoglio are all legitimate popes and as
    such we should show unwavering obedience to them?
    If Bergoglio and any future papal claimant mandates the NO mass exclusively 
    are you on board with that?
    Do you believe that we should just ignore the heretical statements and actions of
    these men or do you believe they haven't committed heresey?

    The only clear and consistent thing I've arrived at from reading your many posts
    is that this minuscule small group of Catholics who call themselves sedevacantists are in schism.
     
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #287 on: January 07, 2023, 12:36:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 12:24:49 PM
    Why do you ignore my questions? Why do you bring up my position when my position has nothing to do with anything?

    Pretend I am considering becoming a sede with the questions I am asking for myself and on behalf of all those also thinking of becoming a sede. I will put the questions in caps this time......

    “Heretics and schismatics are barred from the Supreme Pontificate by the divine law itself…"
    WHICH DIVINE LAW?

    WHAT PURPOSE DOES SEDEISM SERVE AND HOW DOES IT PROFIT SOULS UNTO SALVATION?


    Please!? Are you serious??? THE DIVINE LAW is that a heretic is NOT PAPABLE material. The only two reasons that I can see why you are deliberately being evasive, is either you are completely stupid or you refuse to admit that you are wrong, since your whole house of cards will crumble. I know you are not stupid. :facepalm:
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #288 on: January 07, 2023, 12:38:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on January 07, 2023, 12:30:48 PM
    Stubborn, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
    Do you believe that JPII, Ratzinger and Begoglio are all legitimate popes and as
    such we should show unwavering obedience to them?
    If Bergoglio and any future papal claimant mandates the NO mass exclusively
    are you on board with that?
    Do you believe that we should just ignore the heretical statements and actions of
    these men or do you believe they haven't committed heresey?

    The only clear and consistent thing I've arrived at from reading your many posts
    is that this minuscule small group of Catholics who call themselves sedevacantists are in schism.
     
    I will pretend like I am QVD.

    Do you think you are your own pope?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #289 on: January 07, 2023, 12:40:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
    I will pretend like I am QVD.

    Do you think you are your own pope?

    You are willfully ignorant. There’s not too much worse than lying to yourself.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #290 on: January 07, 2023, 12:41:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 12:36:36 PM

    Please!? Are you serious??? THE DIVINE LAW is that a heretic is NOT PAPABLE material. The only two reasons that I can see why you are deliberately being evasive, is either you are completely stupid or you refuse to admit that you are wrong since your whole house of cards will crumble. I know you are not stupid. :facepalm:
    It seems that this is about semantics.  It seems to me that Stubborn is stating that the only divine "law" in the Catholic Church are the 10 Commandments. However, I thought as Catholics we understand that divine truth is not just limited to the 10 Commandments and that God speaks to us through the Catholic Church.  Is there a better term possibly?  
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #291 on: January 07, 2023, 12:43:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 12:36:36 PM

    Please!? Are you serious??? THE DIVINE LAW is that a heretic is NOT PAPABLE material. The only two reasons that I can see why you are deliberately being evasive, is either you are completely stupid or you refuse to admit that you are wrong, since your whole house of cards will crumble. I know you are not stupid. :facepalm:

    Give me a break. He’s asking you the source of the divine law. Theologians can quote it, but they can’t source it. I didn’t see any divine law quoted by your theologians.

    At least I quoted Daly in basing the claim on divine law (Scripture) and what he maintained were necessary conclusions from it .


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #292 on: January 07, 2023, 12:44:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 12:36:36 PM

    Please!? Are you serious??? THE DIVINE LAW is that a heretic is NOT PAPABLE material. The only two reasons that I can see why you are deliberately being evasive, is either you are completely stupid or you refuse to admit that you are wrong, since your whole house of cards will crumble. I know you are not stupid. :facepalm:
    You STILL don't get it, apparently. Divine Law is a law given to us by God Himself. Do you understand this?

    I know you are not this stupid, but you are trying to tell me that God Himself said words to the effect that "a heretic cannot be pope."

    I am asking you when and where God made this law, when and where God said this?
    If you were to say it's in the Gospel of St. John xxx:xxx then you will have given me the answer I am looking for, but all you do is keep repeating your same old side tracking bs rather than answering the question(s).
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #293 on: January 07, 2023, 12:46:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on January 07, 2023, 12:43:38 PM
    Give me a break. He’s asking you the source of the divine law. Theologians can quote it, but they can’t source it. I didn’t see any divine law quoted by your theologians.

    At least I quoted Daly in basing the claim on divine law (Scripture) and what he maintained were necessary conclusions from it .

    THANK YOU DR!
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #294 on: January 07, 2023, 12:48:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on January 07, 2023, 12:43:38 PM
    Give me a break. He’s asking you the source of the divine law. Theologians can quote it, but they can’t source it. I didn’t see any divine law quoted by your theologians.

    At least I quoted Daly in basing the claim on divine law (Scripture) and what he maintained were necessary conclusions from it .


    :facepalm: You are really pathetic, is it too difficult to ascertain what the theologians are alluding to? So “smart guy” are you calling those theologians liars since they “can’t source it”?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #295 on: January 07, 2023, 12:50:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 12:48:34 PM
    :facepalm: You are really pathetic, is it too difficult to ascertain what the theologians are alluding to? So “smart guy” are you calling those theologians liars since they “can’t source it”?

    Why don’t you tell us, since they don’t?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #296 on: January 07, 2023, 12:50:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
    I will pretend like I am QVD.

    Do you think you are your own pope?
    I asked some honest questions about your positions since I'm relatively new on this forum.
    If you don't feel like answering them that's fine but why respond in such a pointless way?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #297 on: January 07, 2023, 12:51:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 07, 2023, 12:41:46 PM
    It seems that this is about semantics.  It seems to me that Stubborn is stating that the only divine "law" in the Catholic Church are the 10 Commandments. However, I thought as Catholics we understand that divine truth is not just limited to the 10 Commandments and that God speaks to us through the Catholic Church.  Is there a better term possibly? 
    No 2V, not semantics, Divine Law means one thing and one thing only - namely, a Law given to us directly from the mouth of God. Whoever did not know this, knows it now.

    I point blank asked Fr. Cekada which Divine Law he and his sources were referring to, and like everyone else here, he totally ignored the question as if I never asked it. There is no doubt in my mind that a) he fully knew what a Divine Law is and b) he ignored answering the question on purpose.....the same as is happening here.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #298 on: January 07, 2023, 12:51:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 07, 2023, 12:48:34 PM
    :facepalm: You are really pathetic, is it too difficult to ascertain what the theologians are alluding to? So “smart guy” are you calling those theologians liars since they “can’t source it”?

    No one accused them of “lying.” 

    Get a handle.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #299 on: January 07, 2023, 12:53:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 07, 2023, 12:41:46 PM
    It seems that this is about semantics.  It seems to me that Stubborn is stating that the only divine "law" in the Catholic Church are the 10 Commandments. However, I thought as Catholics we understand that divine truth is not just limited to the 10 Commandments and that God speaks to us through the Catholic Church.  Is there a better term possibly? 

    Thank you! That’s because when their house of cards can’t be supported anymore, they need to fall back on semantics and evasion.
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