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  • I remember seeing Baskerville post a link to prove Ratzinger was on a suspect list of Pius XII, but I cannot for the life of me find it.

    Baskerville (or anyone else) please give me a link or some citation to prove this.

    Also, I believe Caraffa stated John XXIII was on a suspect list of Pius X? If so, can you point me to any documentation?

    This would be greatly appreciated. I'd really like to study this issue. Thanks!

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    « Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 05:35:59 PM »
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  • I know the man who went on to become Paul VI was a modernist before Vatican II even took place. I remember reading where he considered Archbishop LeFebvre an "enemy" or something like that. I'm not sure about Benedict XVI and John XXIII though.


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    Benedict XVI and John XXIII Suspected of Heresy by Previous Popes?
    « Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 10:10:20 PM »
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    I remember seeing Baskerville post a link to prove Ratzinger was on a suspect list of Pius XII, but I cannot for the life of me find it.


    Does this help: Ratzinger under Suspicion of Heresy

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    « Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 10:12:24 PM »
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  • I believe you can find an article in this issue of Time that explains that Cardinal Roncalli was removed from his position as a teacher because of his position on divorce:

    http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19630104,00.html

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    Benedict XVI and John XXIII Suspected of Heresy by Previous Popes?
    « Reply #4 on: March 14, 2011, 12:25:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Hermenegild
    Quote from: stevusmagnus
    I remember seeing Baskerville post a link to prove Ratzinger was on a suspect list of Pius XII, but I cannot for the life of me find it.


    Does this help: Ratzinger under Suspicion of Heresy


    Yes interesting. I assume it was Pius XII's Holy Office? I wish we had more info.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 14, 2011, 08:39:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    I believe you can find an article in this issue of Time that explains that Cardinal Roncalli was removed from his position as a teacher because of his position on divorce:

    http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19630104,00.html


    It says that he was removed because he agreed mixed marriage should be allowed in certain circumstances. I know the Traditional practice is that mixed marriages are tolerated but looked down upon and only allowed if the children are raised Catholic. Also they are not allowed a wedding in a church.

    Were mixed marriages banned all together when he was a priest?

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    « Reply #6 on: March 14, 2011, 11:30:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
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    I believe you can find an article in this issue of Time that explains that Cardinal Roncalli was removed from his position as a teacher because of his position on divorce:

    http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19630104,00.html


    It says that he was removed because he agreed mixed marriage should be allowed in certain circumstances. I know the Traditional practice is that mixed marriages are tolerated but looked down upon and only allowed if the children are raised Catholic. Also they are not allowed a wedding in a church.

    Were mixed marriages banned all together when he was a priest?


    They were always forbidden without a dispensation.  I recall there was more to it than that.  Maybe in a different article.  I'll need to search.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 14, 2011, 04:57:32 PM »
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    Also, I believe Caraffa stated John XXIII was on a suspect list of Pius X? If so, can you point me to any documentation?


    Joseph F. Kelly, The Ecumenical Councils Of The Catholic Church: A History, p. 175:
    "Pius X soon established a secret society to check for orthodoxy; among those denounced was an obscure church historian named Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli, the future John XXIII."

    More detail p. 182:
    "Unlike many of his predecessors, Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli (1881-1963) came from a peasant family. A good student, he entered the seminary at Borgamo but soon went on to Rome, where he earned a doctorate in theology at the age of twenty-three. He taught church history at the Bergamo seminary, where he found himself suspect of heresy by the secret society Pius X had established to check on orthodoxy."
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    « Reply #8 on: March 14, 2011, 10:36:09 PM »
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  • Thanks Caraffa! Good stuff.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 14, 2011, 10:41:58 PM »
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    I remember seeing Baskerville post a link to prove Ratzinger was on a suspect list of Pius XII, but I cannot for the life of me find it.


    Does this help: Ratzinger under Suspicion of Heresy


    Thats what I posted Stevus.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 10:47:25 PM »
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  • I do not know where one might find it, but Fr. Ricossa wrote an entire book about J23.  Some of it was translated into English and published, as a series of articles, in a now-defunct periodical called Sacerdotium.  I believe the title was The Pope of the Council.  It contained some pretty damning evidence, most of which was culled from biographers favorable to Roncalli.  The articles used to be online, but I do not know if that is still the case.
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