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Offline Pax Vobis

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Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
« on: July 25, 2019, 08:27:11 PM »
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  • "Abdicationists" -- those that ignorantly believe that the Second Paedophile Newpope, Benedict Ratzinger, is still the Newpope of Newchurch, have been dealt yet another blow to their ignorant and erroneous theory. Now a colleague of Jorge Bergoglio in Buenos Aires, Argentina, where Bergoglio was Newarchbishop from 1998 to 2013, when he was elected and became the Third Paedophile Newpope, has revealed that Ratzinger and Bergoglio were in cahoots all along.

    In a July 22, 2019, interview, presbyter Fernando Miguens, who knew Jorge Bergoglio intimately when he was Newarchbishop of Buenos Aires, revealed that Benedict-Ratzinger, far from disliking Jorge Bergoglio's heretical Modernism -- after all, Ratzinger himself was a leader of the Modernists at the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965) and has remained to this day a Modernist heretic himself -- actually wanted to appoint the Marxist/Modernist Bergoglio as his Secretary of State to run the Newvatican for him according to Modernist principles. Ratzinger was elected Newpope in 2005 and at that time wanted Bergoglio to be his No. 2 as Secretary of State. Ratzinger was quoted as saying that he wanted as his No. 2 "someone who had the nails of a guitar player." Ironically, Ratzinger hated rock music.

    Why did Bergoglio turn down the offer to be Benedict-Ratzinger's No. 2? Apparently, he had higher ambitions. In just eight years Ratzinger abdicated because the Italian press told him that if he didn't abdicate, the press would publish the docuмents provided by his long-time aide, Paolo Gabriele, that proved Ratzinger was personally involved in Newchurch's Great Sex and Embezzlement h0Ɩ0cαųst. Gabriele, scandalized by Ratzinger's complicity, had copied the incriminating docuмents in secret and turned them over to the press. In 2013 Benedict-Ratzinger abdicated, and the Francis-Bergoglio became No. 1 at Newchurch without having to risk unpopularity serving as Ratzinger's No. 2. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Crux News Service.]

    True Catholics, it was also revealed by Jorge Bergoglio's colleague in Buenos Aires that, contrary to the abdicationists' fable, Ratzinger and Bergoglio were quite intimate. Bergoglio could walk into Benedict-Ratzinger's office without an appointment, and Ratzinger telephoned him regularly for advice. So, the abdicationists' notion that Ratzinger is a "traditionalist" and that Bergoglio is the Modernist is pure fake news. The two of them are in fact peas in the same heretical Modernist pod, with Bergoglio being a Marxist in addition, whereas Ratzinger leans toward the nαzι side, starting with his service in the Hitlerjugend.

    https://cruxnow.com/cruxinargentina/2019/07/22/argentine-priest-says-benedict-wanted-bergoglio-as-secretary-of-state/
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/07/secretary-of-state-bergoglio/
    https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3766503/posts


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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #1 on: July 25, 2019, 09:10:51 PM »
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  • Why did Bergoglio turn down the offer to be Benedict-Ratzinger's No. 2? Apparently, he had higher ambitions. In just eight years Ratzinger abdicated because the Italian press told him that if he didn't abdicate, the press would publish the docuмents provided by his long-time aide, Paolo Gabriele, that proved Ratzinger was personally involved in Newchurch's Great Sex and Embezzlement h0Ɩ0cαųst. Gabriele, scandalized by Ratzinger's complicity, had copied the incriminating docuмents in secret and turned them over to the press. In 2013 Benedict-Ratzinger abdicated, and the Francis-Bergoglio became No. 1 at Newchurch without having to risk unpopularity serving as Ratzinger's No. 2. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Crux News Service.]

    https://cruxnow.com/cruxinargentina/2019/07/22/argentine-priest-says-benedict-wanted-bergoglio-as-secretary-of-state/
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/07/secretary-of-state-bergoglio/
    https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3766503/posts

    Very interesting.

    I don't find the name Paolo Gabriele in your linked sources. Can you please provide your source for the info in the quoted paragraph?!
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2019, 09:26:38 PM »
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  • The linked sources relate to the bold paragraph.  The 3rd paragraph related to Paolo Gabriele is old news, from 2012.  Here are some links to that below.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/vatileaks-scandal-exposes-pope-s-frail-leadership-a-836825.html
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/22/pope-leaks-fallout/1938321/


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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2019, 12:26:11 AM »
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  • It seems likely to me that Ratzinger via his abdication and subsequent retention of a new title etc very well may also retain his legal status as a head of state at the Vatican and the diplomatic immunity that entails.  My suspicion is that this was very deliberately arranged precisely because of the information uncovered and used to force his departure.

    Otherwise, why did he not leave the Vatican and retire to a secluded monastery for the life of contemplation which anyone would rightly expect.

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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #4 on: July 26, 2019, 07:04:33 AM »
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  • The anti-Francis, pro-Benedict folks are claiming this is fake news.  Of course, there is NOTHING that could surface, even if it came from the mouth of Benedict himself, that would convince them that the Rat is just as guilty as Bergie and that his resignation was valid and completely his choice.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #5 on: July 26, 2019, 09:19:19 AM »
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  • More problematic than the resignation question, is the fact that Benedict XVI wanted Francis as his right hand man, which would mean that he agreed with Francis' views on many things - including Francis' continued demolition of tradition and the corralling of all "conservative" catholics into the FSSP or ICK, which will eventually be merged with the neo-sspx.  The point is, it seems that the plan was ALWAYS to "expand" the use of the TLM only for a short time, then once the neo-sspx was captured, Tradition would be consolidated all together and pushed to the periphery of the dioceses.  This way, it could be controlled easier and its "growth" be manipulated.

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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2019, 09:07:13 AM »
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  • Pope Francis, when he was Cardinal Bergoglio of Buenos Aires, was a friend of Tradition and went out of his way to help the SSPX in Argentina. 

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2019, 10:38:25 AM »
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  • +Francis "helped" the new-sspx in Argentina because he was working to "integrate" the new-sspx into becoming part of the new-rome religion.  Just like +Benedict partially lifted the excommunications of the sspx bishops, and he "freed" the 1962 missal for use through the motu proprio of 2007 - all of this was done with one intention - to get the new-sspx to "make a deal" with new-rome.
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    The "friendship" of the new-sspx with the Argentinian dioceses was a first-step in the many partnerships that the new-sspx now has, all over the world.  +Lefebvre would have NEVER made such "friends" with novus ordo bishops, because he didn't need to.  His goal was to keep Tradition alive and to save souls - not to "dialogue" or get "regularized" by heretical, modernistic new-rome.  The new-sspx has nothing to gain from such "friendships" because catholic morals always get desensitized when a catholic hangs around with bad companions.
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    The V2 religion cannot reach its goal - which is a one-world, anti-christ, humanistic religion for all peoples and races - until Tradition, the True Faith, is neutralized.  This has been satan's goal since the beginning of time.  The sspx is the largest Traditional organization in the world and if it falls, then the devil and his many freemasonic "catholic" clerics will have removed the last stumbling block on the road to their satanic goals.
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    +Fellay and his administration has helped to corrupt the new-sspx for the past 20 years.  It seems that such a fall of the new-sspx is inevitable, as they continue to grow more and more at ease with new-rome.  Let us all prepare ourselves for a coming persecution.  The time may soon come when the True Mass will be hard to find, when True Priests will be scarce and in hiding, when many former "trads" will accept the one-world religion en masse.  Let us not be scandalized at those who will in the coming future, like many of the Apostles, leave Christ in the Garden of Eden when confronted with persecution by the soldiers.  But let us pray that Our Lady will give us the grace to be like St John and St Mary Magdalen, who followed Christ through all His sufferings, no matter the cost.


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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #8 on: July 30, 2019, 07:06:35 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis, did you really get so desperate in your effort to discredit the FACT that Benedict is still the true Pope (are you seriously una cuм Bergoglio?), as to post that garbage from Traditio, who shamelessly goes out of their way to use Opus Dei sources such as Crux? 

    Quote from: Randy Engel
    Crux news site [is] part of Opus Dei’s vast international outreach media machine;” the prelature having a reputation for being unabashedly pro-papacy. Inés San Martín, for her part, “earned her degree in journalism and social communications in part from Opus Dei’s flagship, the University of Navarra in Pamplona, Spain.

    What kind of journalism puts out statements of hearsay (from Bergoglian cronies, no less) that can't be confirmed or denied but only "plausible". "We've put the narrative out there, you decide." 

    And are Benedict and Bergoglio really "buddies" as you so triumphantly state? Novus Ordo Watch didn't have to translate this from 2017, but that they did, at least demonstrates a smidge of fairness in reporting (even though they made sure to alert those of their anti-"resignationism" stance). 
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-and-benedict-are-at-complete-odds-with-each-other/

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    More problematic than the resignation question, is the fact that Benedict XVI wanted Francis as his right hand man, which would mean that he agreed with Francis' views on many things - including Francis' continued demolition of tradition

    Lol. Do you not question why something like this suddenly gets revealed after all this time? Leave it to you, you run with this as if it's a 'take it to the bank' story. 
    "I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #9 on: July 30, 2019, 10:31:20 PM »
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    Pax Vobis, did you really get so desperate in your effort to discredit the FACT that Benedict is still the true Pope
    This thread has nothing to do with who is pope.  It just shows that +Benedict and +Francis are two Modernist peas in a pod.  They both agree on V2; they both detest Tradition.

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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #10 on: July 31, 2019, 02:00:45 AM »
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  • +Francis "helped" the new-sspx in Argentina because he was working to "integrate" the new-sspx into becoming part of the new-rome religion.  Just like +Benedict partially lifted the excommunications of the sspx bishops, and he "freed" the 1962 missal for use through the motu proprio of 2007 - all of this was done with one intention - to get the new-sspx to "make a deal" with new-rome.
    .
    The "friendship" of the new-sspx with the Argentinian dioceses was a first-step in the many partnerships that the new-sspx now has, all over the world.  +Lefebvre would have NEVER made such "friends" with novus ordo bishops, because he didn't need to.  His goal was to keep Tradition alive and to save souls - not to "dialogue" or get "regularized" by heretical, modernistic new-rome.  The new-sspx has nothing to gain from such "friendships" because catholic morals always get desensitized when a catholic hangs around with bad companions.
    .
    The V2 religion cannot reach its goal - which is a one-world, anti-christ, humanistic religion for all peoples and races - until Tradition, the True Faith, is neutralized.  This has been satan's goal since the beginning of time.  The sspx is the largest Traditional organization in the world and if it falls, then the devil and his many freemasonic "catholic" clerics will have removed the last stumbling block on the road to their satanic goals.
    .
    +Fellay and his administration has helped to corrupt the new-sspx for the past 20 years.  It seems that such a fall of the new-sspx is inevitable, as they continue to grow more and more at ease with new-rome.  Let us all prepare ourselves for a coming persecution.  The time may soon come when the True Mass will be hard to find, when True Priests will be scarce and in hiding, when many former "trads" will accept the one-world religion en masse.  Let us not be scandalized at those who will in the coming future, like many of the Apostles, leave Christ in the Garden of Eden when confronted with persecution by the soldiers.  But let us pray that Our Lady will give us the grace to be like St John and St Mary Magdalen, who followed Christ through all His sufferings, no matter the cost.
    Lefebvre didn't make friends with the Novus Ordo bishops because they had a mutually hostile relationship. None of the bishops in North America or Europe would have given him the assistance that Pope Francis gave to them in Argentina.  


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    Re: Benedict XVI and Francis are buddies; not traditional
    « Reply #11 on: August 02, 2019, 09:38:23 AM »
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  • The whole "Benedict is still pope" business is one of the silliest positions in Catholicism.  And I certainly wouldn't call Benedict a "traditionalist." But I don't see how the facts here suggest that Benedict and Francis must be of exactly identical minds.  I mean, can't friends disagree on certain things?  Couldn't you ask someone for advice even while you greatly disagree with them on certain matters?

    I don't see how it follows from what's written here that Benedict can't be any more traditional than Francis.