Author Topic: Benedict XVI (Read 913 times)

curiouscatholic23 · « **on:** November 19, 2011, 11:11:29 PM »

“The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status inside the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministry in the Church.”

-Benedict XVI March 12 2009

I posted this to show you SSPXers that if you truly believe Benedict XVI is pope, then Vatican II is infalliable. That is what Benedict XVI is referring to here as "doctrinal reasons."

By the way, do you people recognzie JP2's beatification? Do you recognize the sainthood of Josemaria Escrivia? Yes or no? No grey area here.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:20:28 PM »

When a pope cannonizes or beatifies someone, is that decision infalliable? As catholics, can we question whether our saints are really in heaven?

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2011, 02:34:01 AM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

When a pope cannonizes or beatifies someone, is that decision infalliable? As catholics, can we question whether our saints are really in heaven?

We cannot question it. Here excerpts from "The Church of Christ" by Fr. Berry, St. Louis 1927

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2011, 04:43:37 PM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

I posted this to show you SSPXers that if you truly believe Benedict XVI is pope, then Vatican II is infalliable. That is what Benedict XVI is referring to here as "doctrinal reasons."

Actually, that would apply to those who think Paul VI was a true Pope, as it was he who was responsible for Vatican II, not Benedict.

But you are right about one thing. Beatifications and Canonizations are infallible, so if you think the Vatican II "Popes" are true Popes then you must accept the Beatifications and Canonizations they have performed.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2011, 05:40:55 PM »

I just can't help wonder though about Padre Pio. He is in the gray area, in that he was canonized by an anti-pope, but then his real life was one of a saint. Many attested to his miracles while he was alive, he was a priest (I think the only other both priest and saint of Church history was St. John Vianney , the Cure of Ars).

ITs been hashed many times over on this forum in numerous threads, but in my opinion Padre Pio deserves some respect and defense by us traditional Catholics given all the slander by libs against him (making people believe he did the New Mass before he died, which he never did) and other such misrepresentations of the man.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2011, 05:46:17 PM »

Quote from: PartyIsOver221

I just can't help wonder though about Padre Pio. He is in the gray area, in that he was canonized by an anti-pope, but then his real life was one of a saint. Many attested to his miracles while he was alive, he was a priest (I think the only other both priest and saint of Church history was St. John Vianney , the Cure of Ars).

ITs been hashed many times over on this forum in numerous threads, but in my opinion Padre Pio deserves some respect and defense by us traditional Catholics given all the slander by libs against him (making people believe he did the New Mass before he died, which he never did) and other such misrepresentations of the man.

Padre Pio died in 1968. Was the new mass even around at that time? I thought it came out either in 1968 or 1969. Also, without the internet and cable TV like we have now its not like Padre Pio had the same resources we have for witnessing the apostasy with the Vatican 2 sect.

I will never offically call him a "saint" because as a sedevacantist that is something that needs to be done by a true pope. However, I have no problem calling him a "saintly" man.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2011, 06:56:34 PM »

No, the Bogus Ordo wasn't first celebrated until 1969. I'm not sure if Padre Pio thought Paul VI was a true Pope, but he did believe he was a Freemason.

Regarding Padre Pio being a Saint, Canonization is not a requirement for one to be a Saint. Canonization only means that the Church officially recognizes that person as a Saint.