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Explanation of What Is Wrong W/ Vat. II
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2009, 11:08:59 AM »
Quote from: skifast
If Ratzinger is the pope, then obedience would lead to heresy.  Further, if he were the pope, the head of the Mystical Body and the Holy Ghost would not permit heresy.

IMO, this is one reason supporting the sede position.


How do the Sede's carry out Jesus's commission to Peter, the Rock?

Explanation of What Is Wrong W/ Vat. II
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2009, 05:09:30 PM »
Quote from: skifast
Since the seat is vacant, there is no pope(Peter) to follow.  As soon as a Catholic attains the seat, then we will be obedient.

God never promised that there would always be a pope.  Given that the gospel has been preached to all nations, and has been rejected by all nations, we do not deserve a pope.


OK, this makes sense to me. It is like we are in a holding pattern, not like we are just suddenly independent or anarchic.

This means that either the present person holding the title of "Pope", (Ratzinger) could face facts and repudiate the heresies of the past 50 years, or we wait until he is replaced through the normal procedures.

Now, I am not ready to say I would support that "Sede" position myself,  but I can see that it is a rational solution to the problem. Before, I was looking at the claim that there is no "Pope" as just some kind of neo-protestantism that is putting the laity into the papal position, and I would rather compromise with the present Church than engage in yet another round of schismatic new theology.

Thank you.


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Explanation of What Is Wrong W/ Vat. II
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 05:54:51 PM »
More articles of interest:

The "sede" Position in Brief
http://sedevacantist.com/sedebrief.html


The Decrees of Vatican II Compared with Past Church Teachings
http://www.cmri.org/02-v2decrees.html


The Principal Heresies and Other Errors of Vatican II
http://strobertbellarmine.net/heresies.html


The New Ecclesiology: Docuмentation
http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/ecclesiology.pdf


Did Vatican II Teach Infallibly? (3rd post down the page)
http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=772


A Primer on Infallibility
http://www.cmri.org/primer.html


The Infallibility of the Catholic Church
http://www.cmri.org/96prog5.htm


The Ordinary and Universal Magisterium
http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=727


Must I Believe It? by Canon George Smith, Ph.D., D.D.
http://www.dailycatholic.org/beliefgs.htm