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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #120 on: December 30, 2022, 11:02:52 AM »
Pick one, and I’ll give you a frank response.

Thanks, Sean!  This is too much reading for me right now so I will rest a while and get back to you. :)

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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #121 on: December 30, 2022, 11:03:52 AM »
Meg,

I know you love Our Lord,

saying that the Incarnation and Resurrection of Our Dear Lord Jesus

 Christ didn't really happen isn't just a

little mixture of some truth and some error.

It's a total rejection of the Catholic Faith.

Is there a greater insult to Jesus?

And from the supposed "Vicar of Christ"?

In the eyes of a modernist, it is not a total rejection of the Catholic faith. They actually believe that they are doing the right thing for the Church and for humanity. It sounds crazy, and it is, but that's how they think. They can mix truth with error, and they do not admit of any contradiction. Archbishop Lefebvre said that modernism is a disease of the mind. If you don't agree, that's fine, but I will continue to take the stance of Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Williamson, because it makes sense to me.


Offline Emile

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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #122 on: December 30, 2022, 12:26:36 PM »
Benedict XVI’s Health: Vatican Provides Update
‘Pope Francis renews his invitation to pray for him and accompany him in these difficult hours.’
    Pope Benedict XVI. title=Pope Benedict XVI. Pope Benedict XVI. (photo: Vatican Media )
Edward Pentin Blogs December 29, 2022
Please see below for regular updates on the health of the Pope Emeritus.
Friday Dec. 30:
At 3pm Rome time, the Vatican issued the following statement:
Responding to reporters’ questions, Holy See Press Office director Matteo Bruni said the following:
‘Last night the Pope Emeritus was able to rest well. He also participated in the celebration of Holy Mass in his room yesterday afternoon. At present his condition is stable.’”
Italian and German media have reported that in compliance with Benedict XVI's wishes, he is not expected to be taken to hospital as all medical equipment capable of treating him is located in his residence in the Vatican Gardens. He is being treated by his personal physician, Dr. Patrizio Polisca, an expert Italian cardiologist who for a time was the doctor of Pope Francis, and a nurse. 

Thursday Dec. 29:
VATICAN CITY — At 2.30pm Rome time on Thursday, Holy See Press Office director Matteo Bruni issued the following statement in response to reporters’ questions about Benedict XVI’s health:
“The Pope Emeritus was able to rest well last night. He is absolutely lucid and alert, and today, although his condition remains serious, the situation at the moment is stable. Pope Francis renews his invitation to pray for him and accompany him in these difficult hours.”
Sources close to the Mater Ecclesiae Monastery where Benedict lives told the Register on Thursday the Pope Emeritus’ condition was very grave yesterday evening and the consensus was that he might not survive more than a few days, but his health stabilized overnight as the Vatican statement confirms. 

The recent statement followed Pope Francis’ disclosure of his condition at Wednesday morning’s general audience: “I would like to ask you all for a special prayer for Pope Emeritus Benedict, who is supporting the Church in silence,” Francis said. “Remember him - he is very ill - asking the Lord to console him and to sustain him in this witness of love for the Church, until the end.”
The Vatican said that after the audience, Francis visited Benedict at his Mater Ecclesiae Monastery residence in the Vatican. 
The Register has contacted Benedict’s personal secretary, Archbishop Georg Gänswein, for comment but he has not yet responded. 
In recent years, Benedict XVI has become noticeably very frail, immobile, and unable to speak clearly, but Archbishop Gänswein and various visitors have testified to his mental alertness and relatively good health.

Earlier this month, Pope Francis praised the Pope Emeritus saying that “all of us sense his spiritual presence, his accompaniment in prayer for the whole Church and his constant contemplative gaze.” 
Pope Francis was presenting the Ratzinger Prize to French Jesuit theologian Michel Fédou and Jєωιѕн law professor Joseph Weiler. Benedict was not present at the ceremony but received the prize winners at his residence. 

 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #123 on: December 30, 2022, 01:41:14 PM »

Stubborn,


As you recall, I generally agree with your approach on this. I may differ with you as to some conclusions, but I agree with you in principle.

But here's the thing: what does "judged" mean in your quote? The same bull of Paul IV says this:


The Sedes, by same bull, have total warrant to reject the false pope, and treat him as having no authority.

So it is apparent, unless you want to say Paul IV contradicted himself, doing the above is not "judging" as he meant it.

Well, I would say cuм ex is meant to be taken literally, which is to say "be judged by none in this world" means that nobody can decide his status. It seems simple enough to me, especially when the only purpose in deciding his status is to cause division among the faithful, beyond that it serves to profitable purpose. And IMO, Pope Paul IV was well aware of this as is apparent by him telling us exactly what it is that we are to do, namely, we may contradict a pope who merely deviates from the faith.

Also, IMO, I think cuм ex is aiming or is directed primarily at the hierarchy, the clergy secondarily, the laity not at all really. Because look at it from Pope Paul IV's view in 1559 - what could a layman do in 1559 about a bishop who deviated from the faith for example? Aside from telling another member of the clergy/hierarchy on him, all they could do is contradict him by not deviating from the faith with him. We are in the same situation today except we have no one to tell because all the other heretics in the hierarchy did *not* do what cuм ex told them to do if the pope deviated from the faith - contradict him. Instead, they have all gone contrary to cuм ex and have themselves deviated from the faith.   


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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #124 on: December 30, 2022, 01:42:11 PM »

Thanks for responding. 

Now I'm wondering why this quote appears to contradict all the other quotes I posted which had words indicating that no sentencing is necessary?
I think I answered in my post above.