The indisputable truth of what we are instructed to do about heretical popes (bolded), is found in the beginning of cuм ex....
"1.In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought
that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman
Pontiff,who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the
fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world,
may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith."
Nowhere does cuм ex grant anyone the obligation, responsibility or right to decide the status of popes, in fact to do so is to go exactly contrary to what he says (underlined) above in #1.
That is truth.
Thanks for responding.
Now I'm wondering why this quote appears to contradict all the other quotes I posted which had words indicating that no sentencing is necessary?
They include words like "ipso facto" and
"Those so promoted or elected, by that very fact and without the need to make any further declaration, shall be deprived of any dignity, position, honor, title, authority, office and power.”
and
"fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one".
and
"by his own will cast outside"
and
"Wherefore, if the Roman Pontiff were to profess heresy, before any condemnatory sentence
(which would be impossible anyway) he would lose his authority.”
And more things like that.
The "which would be impossible anyway" part appears to be saying that nobody can judge a pope, right? We can't judge his judgement in matters of faith and morals, right? That's because it is impossible for a true pope to profess heresy, right?
So does that mean he can't lose his office, title, authority etc. ?
The part I posted at the top appears to say that yes, indeed he does lose them regardless of the fact that nobody can judge him.
I could be wrong, but it seems there is a difference between judging a pope's judgement in matters of faith and morals vs judging if a man is the pope.
Nobody can overturn a pope's judgement so nobody, including a theologian or even a saint can overturn the papal bulls, right?
So when Sean says that Ex cuм is irrelevant wouldn't that be judging a pope?
In any case, several of the quotes I posted indicate that he was never pope to begin with so there is no pope to judge. ::shrug::
If the Dali Lama or Kim Jong-Un were elected pope would we be able to judge that they are not a pope on the grounds that they are not even Catholic? It is invalid matter so no consecration could take place right?
Perhaps you could read those quotes and the questions I posted below them and answer them please? I'd really appreciate it!
Here is the post:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/benedict-nearing-death/msg863263/#msg863263