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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #90 on: December 30, 2022, 08:53:33 AM »
It is consistently being missed that, if Cardinal Ratzinger dies before Francis, thereby transforming the Benny’s into sedes, that state of affairs does not come to an end for them upon the subsequent/eventual death of Francis:

Since they believe him to be an antipope, and this alleged antipope has appointed many of the Cardinal-electors eligible to vote in the next conclave, they must hold that next conclave invalid.

Consequently, they are locked into sedevacantism in perpetuity, with every future conclave being invalid, and the possibility of restoring the papacy closed.

Their only escape is to humbly acknowledge that, whatever irregularities may have existed in the resignation of BXVI, Francis is pope.
What is your definition of "Sedevacantist"?

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #91 on: December 30, 2022, 08:53:49 AM »
It is consistently being missed that, if Cardinal Ratzinger dies before Francis, thereby transforming the Benny’s into sedes, that state of affairs does not come to an end for them upon the subsequent/eventual death of Francis:

Since they believe him to be an antipope, and this alleged antipope has appointed many of the Cardinal-electors eligible to vote in the next conclave, they must hold that next conclave invalid.

Consequently, they are locked into sedevacantism in perpetuity, with every future conclave being invalid, and the possibility of restoring the papacy closed.

Their only escape is to humbly acknowledge that, whatever irregularities may have existed in the resignation of BXVI, Francis is pope.

But wait, there’s more!

Even if Cardinal Ratzinger outlived Francis, the Benny’s are only briefly rescued from sedevacantism:

The problem of the (alleged) invalidity of all future conclaves remains:

The Cardinal-electors we’re still appointed by an (alleged) antipope.  Therefore, they not being legitimate electors, it is not possible for them to produce a legitimate pope.

The Bennyvacantists are locked into sedevacantism regardless of who dies first, and their only way out is to recognize the legitimacy of Francis’s pontificate.


Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #92 on: December 30, 2022, 08:57:39 AM »
No, Sean, claiminng that a heretic worse than Luther can be the Pope is a problem no matter which "interpretation" you hold.

Your ecclesiology is simply heretical, Sean, and you need to wake up.  Were it not for the confusion caused by the Crisis, you would be condemned as a heretic for your views, holding that the Catholic Church can become corrupt in faith and morals, and even in its public worship.

Plus, you keep promoting Salza's ridiculous re-interpretation of Bellarmine, claiming that there's a "sedevacantist" interpretation.  Salza absurdly spent 100s of pages arguing that Bellarmine held the same opinion as Cajetan, which was news to Bellarmine, as he explicily rejected Cajetan's positon.  Bellarmine's citation of Pope St. Celestine on Nestorius puts the nail in Salza's coffin, and that's why years after his book (just a couple months ago), Salza admitted to Sungenis that he was "studying" the Pope St. Celestine case (didn't the study it already when he spent 100s of pages trying to distort Bellarmine?).

Please learn to focus your thoughts before engaging me:

I didn’t say having an heretical pope wasn’t a problem.  I said there is no inconsistency in Tissier, since he does not hold to the questionable interpretation of St. Bellarmine that you do.

As for your repeated anathemas for those who disagree with you, their frequency ribs them of their desired effect.

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #93 on: December 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM »
If I understand you correctly, Nadir, your definition of Sedevacantism is a belief accepted as authoritative by some group or school that the Chair of St. Peter is vacant.  Note that this definition is a stripped down, bare bones version that tells nothing about the cause of that belief.  It is, therefore, a next to useless definition.

The Benny’s are adopting the Bill Clinton defense:

”It depends upon what your definition of ‘is’ is.”

:facepalm:

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #94 on: December 30, 2022, 09:08:56 AM »
The Benny’s are adopting the Bill Clinton defense:

”It depends upon what your definition of ‘is’ is.”

:facepalm:
You have used the term.  Give us your definition, please.