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Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #135 on: December 30, 2022, 03:01:00 PM »


Surely we can be absolutely certain that Pope Leo XIII was aware of cuм ex in 1879 when he made John Henry Newman a Cardinal. Newman was a convert from the Anglican religion, which is to say he is a perfect example of one who "beforehand deviated from the Catholic faith or fallen into any heresy." 

My question to you is, what penalty did cuм ex impose on Pope Leo XIII for going contrary to, i.e. breaking the law of  cuм ex?

Didn't Protestants have to take a kind of oath renouncing their heresies when they came into the Church back then?  I don't know the name of it.  Do you?

I don't know about the Pope Leo question....I'll have to look into that.

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #136 on: December 30, 2022, 03:01:50 PM »

Okay, Sean!  It's hard for me to read this stuff and cutting and pasting and formatting is difficult too so I'm sorry if it's hard to read. :P

Here is the first quote:



Bull of Pope Paul IV — cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio, 1559
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Okay, so first of all, we cannot judge Papal Bulls because that would qualify as "judging a pope" right?  So we can't dismiss this as "irrelevant" can we?


From the quote above:
"Should appear"  What does that mean?

If they were a known heretic before election it sounds like the election was void since a non-Catholic can't become pope.  Is that true?


"even with the agreement and unanimous consent of all the cardinals, shall be null, legally invalid and void."


Plus because Vatican II states that we worship the same god as Muslims, it is a false religion.  Any person intending to implement VII would not be Catholic since they are intending to implement a false religion. 

Therefore they would be equivalent to using a potato chip at the consecration at Mass instead of unleavened bread - it’s invalid matter and no consecration takes place. A public heretic or apostate is not “valid matter”for any office in the Church as such a one is barred by divine law from the papacy.  Wouldn't that be true?

Because according to the statement they:

"beforehand deviated from the Catholic faith"


Also, what do you make of the last part of the quote above that is highlighted?

You stated:  (ie., an heretical pope is not removed without the Church declaring the fact of his heresy, and a second declaration that God has deposed him).

But is a declaration really necessary?

The quote reads:

by that very fact and without the need to make any further declaration, shall be deprived of any dignity, position, honor, title, authority, office and power.”

From the quote it sounds like no declaration is necessary.  Am I missing something?

Finally, you stated that the "ipso facto" position was never endorsed by the Church.
 
Does a Papal Bull qualify as "endorsed by the Church"?


Thank you, Sean!

Hello Miser-

cuм ex is derogated, and no longer applicable.  We just had a 10+ page thread about it (i.e., the cuм ex conversation was within the context of the Eucharistic miracles thread), where you are at liberty to read all my thoughts on the matter here:  

https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=69591.60 

Next question?


Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #137 on: December 30, 2022, 03:13:11 PM »
Hello Miser-

cuм ex is derogated, and no longer applicable.  We just had a 10+ page thread about it (i.e., the cuм ex conversation was within the context of the Eucharistic miracles thread), where you are at liberty to read all my thoughts on the matter here: 

https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=69591.60

Next question?

Goodness!  That is a long and meandering thread on many topics. :P

Can you direct me to your post that is about cuм Ex?

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #138 on: December 30, 2022, 03:19:38 PM »
In the eyes of a modernist, it is not a total rejection of the Catholic faith. They actually believe that they are doing the right thing for the Church and for humanity. It sounds crazy, and it is, but that's how they think. They can mix truth with error, and they do not admit of any contradiction. Archbishop Lefebvre said that modernism is a disease of the mind. If you don't agree, that's fine, but I will continue to take the stance of Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Williamson, because it makes sense to me.

It does sound kind of crazy, doesn't it?

So somebody can deny the Incarnation and the Resurrection and still be a Catholic? 

They are just what is defined as a "Modernist Catholic"?

It kind of sounds like the people who have "gender dysphoria".  They are one thing but believe they are something else.  :clown:

Denying reality is a kind of mental illness isn't it?

Modernist is a nicer sounding word than blasphemer, heretic, or apostate though isn't it?



Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #139 on: December 30, 2022, 03:27:44 PM »
Goodness!  That is a long and meandering thread on many topics. :P

Can you direct me to your post that is about cuм Ex?

Begin here with Post #189: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/claimed-eucharistic-miracles/180/ 

Then continue with posts #196, 199, 201, 203, 205, 221, 228, 229, 231, 235, 246, and 249.