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Offline Meg

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #100 on: December 30, 2022, 09:36:24 AM »
I recall an interview that Bp. Williamson gave about 6 months or so back - the one in which E. Michael Jones was part of the interview.

+W said that although Benedict's mind is full of modernist mush, or his mind had been turned to mush by modernism (or something like that), there was still something decent about Benedict. I'm inclined to agree, though most here would be appalled at such as description. Yes, Benedict was a modernist, but he wasn't completely bad. He's still a a human being, IMO. Though some here might disagree. 

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #101 on: December 30, 2022, 09:37:09 AM »
You used the term first in this thread and I asked you first.  So, go ahead.

The strategy has emerged:

Object to any definition of sedevacantism, in order to evade the label.

Both the transparency of the tactic, and the lack of substance behind it, will save souls from this new (and perpetual) breed of sedevacantism.

To a humble man, the consequences of Bennyvacantism would elicit an admission of error, but to this character, it results in the appropriation of Bill Clinton’s dodge technique.

I leave you to your sedevacantism.


Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #102 on: December 30, 2022, 09:39:18 AM »
I'm no theologian so maybe you can help me understand this better:


Bull of Pope Paul IVcuм Ex Apostolatus Officio, 1559"Should appear?"  What does that mean?

If they were a known heretic before election it sounds like the election was void since a non-Catholic can't become pope.

Plus because Vatican II states that we worship the same god as Muslims, it is a false religion and any person intending to implement VII would not be Catholic.  Therefore they would be equivalent to using a potato chip at the consecration at Mass instead of unleavened bread - it’s invalid matter and no consecration takes place. A public heretic or apostate is not “valid matter”for any office in the Church as such a one is barred by divine law from the papacy.   

What do you make of the last part of the quote above that is highlighted?  It sounds like no declaration is necessary.  Does a Papal Bull qualify as "endorsed by the Church"?


CoronataInstitutions Juris Canonici, 1950Same here?  No sentence necessary?  Does Canon Law qualify as "endorsed by the Church"?


MaratoInstitutions Juris Canonici, 1921This Canon Law sounds like the election of a heretic is void in the first place.



BillotDe Ecclesia, 1927So what does "notoriously heretical" mean and "without hesitation".  It doesn't sound like a declaration is necessary since he cast himself out.



St. Francis de Sales:What does ipso facto mean?  Would that mean without sentence?


St. Robert Bellarmine:Automatically and immediately doesn't sound like a sentencing is necessary.


St. Alphonsus Liguori:"Notorious and contumacious" heretic.  Would this apply to the post VII popes?  "At once" sounds like a sentencing isn't necessary.  "As a private person" sounds like their heresy doesn't have to be "ex cathedra".  Is that right?


St. Antoninus:Again, it sounds like a sentencing isn't necessary. ??



quotes taken from:
https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/quotes-from-theologians-supporting-the-sedevacantist-position/

What precisely is your argument?

That Cajetan, John of St. Thomas, Suarez, Vittoria, Torquemada, Billuart, Billot, and company were wrong?

Got it.

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #103 on: December 30, 2022, 09:41:44 AM »
Personally, I don't like ugly fighting, but I do like (LOVE) Truth!

I do enjoy sifting through information and discussing it to learn more.

As for who we trust in this discussion, do the opinions of theologians hold the same weight as Papal Bulls and Canon Law?

That's why I shared those above.  Can the Church reverse and disobey these types of decrees?

We just had 10+ pages on the irrelevance of cuм ex, and the opening statement in your response is…..to cite cuм ex?

Not very productive.

Offline Meg

Re: Benedict nearing death?
« Reply #104 on: December 30, 2022, 09:44:48 AM »
The strategy has emerged:

Object to any definition of sedevacantism, in order to evade the label.

Both the transparency of the tactic, and the lack of substance behind it, will save souls from this new (and perpetual) breed of sedevacantism.

To a humble man, the consequences of Bennyvacantism would elicit an admission of error, but to this character, it results in the appropriation of Bill Clinton’s dodge technique.

I leave you to your sedevacantism.

That's the typical strategy. They rarely come up with anything new. Deflection seems to be the default way to try to win an argument.