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Re: Benedict's Resignation
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2022, 01:25:00 PM »
Oops sorry DL I accidentally downvoted your post.

Re: Benedict's Resignation
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2022, 01:32:25 PM »
How can you "not resign" from an office you never held in the first place?
The same way you can be a non-Catholic Pope :clown:


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Re: Benedict's Resignation
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2022, 04:41:36 PM »
The problem with this entire idea is that they have no proof for even the fundamental foundation of their argument. So the argument is that munus and ministerium mean two different things, and are mutually exclusive, and that Benny renounced one of them but not the other. Even assuming Benedict was a true pope in the first place, just looking at that argument gets you nowhere. If you look those two words up in the dictionary, you see that there is a large amount of overlap in their meanings. They are more or less synonymous. And when Mazza was asked about this in the video, he sort of hemmed and hawed and said, "Well, you have to look at the context and get the meaning from there," and did not provide any concrete proof that Benedict meant one meaning for one word, and a different meaning for the other word.

So the whole argument based on the distinction between munus and ministerium doesn't even get to first base. That's before you even consider that Benedict said he resigned, that the office would be vacant when he resigned, that he resigned freely, and clarified multiple times that he resigned.

Then these people have us attempting to interpret the words of Benedict's secretary as a way of reading Benedict's mind, and saying that obviously Benedict was being threatened with death by a sodomite "mafia" (no proof of that either) ... the whole thing is a desperate attempt to get out of having to say that Francis is the pope.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Benedict's Resignation
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2022, 05:55:03 PM »
Canon Law nowhere states that you have to use the world munus to appropriately resign.  Just because IT used the term munus means very little.  There doesn't even have to be a formal resignation.  He could have just walked out and said, "See ya.  I'm done with this pope thang."  Only requirement is that his intention to resign be made sufficiently manifest.  He spelled it out that as of his resignation, the See would be vacant and that a conclave would have to be convened to elect another pope ... precisely so that there wouldn't be any confusion.

This argument comes from desperation to explain Bergoglio, but does nothing to explain Montini, Wojtyla, or Ratzinger.  This desperation is pretty sad really.

Re: Benedict's Resignation
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2022, 07:38:10 PM »
Just lol at "BXVI". This guy almost wiped out the true Mass in the VII sect and almost killed the SSPX, the November 30, 2006 apostatic "gesture of tranquility" where he faced Mecca, he was second to only Rahner in terms of being an archliberal at VII... We could go on but the Indult is Stockholm Syndrome'd to the point that they reject one apostate to BEG for the other that set the stage for him. All these people can do (and it's impossible given the political situation/apostasy in the Vatican) is hope for... "BXVI" to pack in more liberal cardinals and then Tagle becomes pope? I give it 10-15 years tops until all the top Indult content creators are sede-whatever. Most already practice sedevacantism practically just with more questionable sacraments.