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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bellarmine: Purgatory Is Within The Earth
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2026, 09:56:56 AM »
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on January 20, 2026, 09:43:22 AM
As I understand it, there's no suffering in Heaven, and there's nothing up there apart from it. So, as Purgatory is a sort of temporary Hell, it makes sense for it to be down, and not up. The story of Lazarus also seems to imply that the Limbo of the Patriarchs and Hell are close to each other.

We know that Limbo of the Patriarchs is "down" due to the Creed indicating that Our Lord "descendit ad inferos", with inferos being the nether regions.

In the parable about Lazarus, he mentioned a gulf or chasm that seprated those in the "bosom of Abraham" (= paradise, = Limbo Patrum), so that COULD mean that the chasm is the gap between where Heaven is, but not necessarily, where there could have been a chasm between the two.

I don't see Purgatory as temporary Hell at all, but more delayed Heaven, since those in Purgatory are in a state of grace, justification, friendship with God.
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Offline songbird

Re: Bellarmine: Purgatory Is Within The Earth
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2026, 12:55:29 PM »
Remind me if you wish, but I recall decades ago, listening to radio or such that there was a drilling of the earth to go as far as one could go.  the work men heard diabolical screams and cries and the work men ran!
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Bellarmine: Purgatory Is Within The Earth
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2026, 04:19:55 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 20, 2026, 09:08:16 AM
Now, I do think there's consensus regarding the location of Hell being in the earth, and also the Limbo of the Fathers, since otherwise Our Lord "descending" to the "inferos" (lower regions) would make no sense.
Not directly related to the subject of Limbo, but your use of the word "inferos" raises a question I've had.

I have a Latin Rosary pamphlet that says in the Credo "descendit ad inferos..."




I just assumed that this was a typo, and should have been "infernos".  Now I am having my doubts.  

I realize that attitudes towards Taylor Marshall vary widely across the traditionalist spectrum, and I'm not seeking to get that discussion started (I don't know all that much about him myself), but I found this:

https://taylormarshall.com/2017/03/descended-hell-latin-greek-versions-apostles-creed.html
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Offline Miseremini

Re: Bellarmine: Purgatory Is Within The Earth
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2026, 04:39:24 PM »
Philippians 2:;10  "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth"

Would "under the earth" refer to Hell or Purgatory?




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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bellarmine: Purgatory Is Within The Earth
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2026, 04:49:42 PM »
Quote from: Miseremini on January 20, 2026, 04:39:24 PM
Philippians 2:;10  "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth"

Would "under the earth" refer to Hell or Purgatory?

I think that's hard to say, but he said EVERY knee, so that would include Hell, where those in Hell would bend the knee by force.
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