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Quote from: Novus Ordo Catholic

you can not take ONE picture out of context and assume that EVERYONE at WYD was doing immoral things, or that it was somehow the fault of the "conciliar church" How about pictures of young people reverently receiving holy communion? Noooo we see the rad trads bashing the church they supposedly love

To which I responded:

Looks like more than one picture to me. If the conciliar church didn't tend toward this very behavior, I would agree with you -- I'd say "let's not focus on abuses, and attack the conciliar church which is obviously fighting these abuses." But that's not true. The Catholic Faith post-Vatican II is a sentimental, emotion-driven religion, which encourages this kind of behavior in practice. Young people are not taught modesty in dress, frequent confession isn't pushed, and MOST IMPORTANTLY -- young people aren't taught to stand out and be "strange" according to those of the world. On the contrary -- the whole orientation of the Church after Vatican II changed to an embracing of the modern world. So yes, I blame them for this behavior. It is fundamental and logically flows from the Novus Ordo establishment.

A girl on the scene said the boys in the Juventud de JMJ t-shirts, when they weren't droning on in endless chanting, would make lewd advances as she left her apartment.

In reference to my earlier post it was encouraging that many ladies attended this retreat and same for the retreat for men. Much better than this World Youth Day that is not Catholic nor never was Catholic.

http://www.sspx.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=366:district-superiors-letter-september-2011-&catid=114:district-superiors-letter&Itemid=86

Retreats

The two Ignatian five-day retreats which took place in a hired retreat centre in County Galway went well, and I was happy to have joined Fr Sherry for the ladies’ one, attended by some twenty-seven retreatants.

Who is Mark Shea?

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What is bizzare is that many in Youth Defence were raised attending the Traditional Mass yet supported this WYD? They had that Fr Stan (rapper priest) and all these Christian rock bands.

It is not bizarre when you understand the new orientation of the SSPX, cultural drift, etc.  If SSPX priests give Lenten dispensations for parties with underage drinking, if SSPX attending pro-life advocates speak of "authentic feminism" and praise the singer Taylor Swift, then what you are seeing is either a lack of understanding of traditionalism, or an attempt to fit in with the world among traditionalists.

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When people, who should know better supports WYD it does anger me. It highlights the world of difference between Latin Mass ism and Traditional Catholicism.

I have a theory that traditionalism (as a social trend) is to some extent a cultural echo of the 50s.  When the people born around Vatican II and whose parents were raised in the pre-Vatican II Church have passed on then the authentic traditionalists will begin to shrink to a tiny remnant.

There would be a mix of SSPX and "approved" Traditional Mass attending faithful involved in Youth Defence. The rest of its membership would be from the Youth 2000 JPII "new evangelisation" mindset.

There is certainly a lack of understanding of traditionalism. You would understand the mindset of those who dip in and out of the Traditional Mass via the Motu Proprio but would expect better from faithful who regularly attend SSPX chapels.

It highlights the point of there being a world of difference between Traditional Catholicism and this latin mass ism.

It's amazing this talk of building a pro-life movement when there ought to be the reconstruction of the Catholic city and restoring all things in Christ.The fight is for the Kingship of Christ.

It probably expands on the points made in other threads about trads growing weary of the fight or perhaps not even being aware of the need to be on the battlefield or realising we have enemies.

you can not take ONE picture out of context and assume that EVERYONE at WYD was doing immoral things, or that it was somehow the fault of the "conciliar church" How about pictures of young people reverently receiving holy communion? Noooo we see the rad trads bashing the church they supposedly love

OK, how ABOUT some pictures of these totally immodestly-dressed people receiving the Novus Cookie? What you need to understand is that modesty is not just about what's covered or uncovered. Modesty is also about respect. When you dress 'casually', in jeans and t-shirts and flip-flops, when you're to meet someone important, it shows that you think you don't have to accord them any respect. That, too, is immodesty; it's immodesty of the heart and mind.

These young people were SUPPOSEDLY going to meet Jesus Christ, Our Lord, King and High Priest! They are dressed like they're going to mow the lawn or go to the beach!

Secondly, there is NO WAY to receive 'communion', or whatever you call that bogus cracker that the NO presbyters give out, after you've been fornicating on the ground! Neither is there any way to 'reverently' receive ANYTHING, graces, forgiveness, or whatever you like, if one has not made Sacramental confession! For these people to go and make some sort of confession (again, entering a Church building so improperly dressed as to offend Our Lord and Our Lady, never mind the people around them), and then go out and behave and dress as they did IS A SACRILEGE. THEY ARE COUNTING AS NOTHING THE PRECIOUS BODY AND BLOOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THEY ARE DISREGARDING AND CHEAPENING THE HOLY SACRAMENT OF CONFESSION AND PENANCE!

The Novus Ordo can take their World Youth Abomination and send it packing with Ratzinger when he's gone, which, Deo volente, will not be long from now, one way or the other.

St. Gemma Galgani, pure virgin, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Quote from: Novus Ordite

you can not take ONE picture out of context and assume that EVERYONE at WYD was doing immoral things, or that it was somehow the fault of the "conciliar church" How about pictures of young people reverently receiving holy communion? Noooo we see the rad trads bashing the church they supposedly love

OK, how ABOUT some pictures of these totally immodestly-dressed people receiving the Novus Cookie? What you need to understand is that modesty is not just about what's covered or uncovered. Modesty is also about respect. When you dress 'casually', in jeans and t-shirts and flip-flops, when you're to meet someone important, it shows that you think you don't have to accord them any respect. That, too, is immodesty; it's immodesty of the heart and mind.

These young people were SUPPOSEDLY going to meet Jesus Christ, Our Lord, King and High Priest! They are dressed like they're going to mow the lawn or go to the beach!

Secondly, there is NO WAY to receive 'communion', or whatever you call that bogus cracker that the NO #### give out, after you've been fornicating on the ground! Neither is there any way to 'reverently' receive ANYTHING, graces, forgiveness, or whatever you like, if one has not made Sacramental confession! For these people to go and make some sort of confession (again, entering a Church building so improperly dressed as to offend Our Lord and Our Lady, never mind the people around them), and then go out and behave and dress as they did IS A SACRILEGE. THEY ARE COUNTING AS NOTHING THE PRECIOUS BODY AND BLOOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THEY ARE DISREGARDING AND CHEAPENING THE HOLY SACRAMENT OF CONFESSION AND PENANCE!

The Novus Ordo can take their World Youth Abomination and send it packing with Ratzinger when he's gone, which, Deo volente, will not be long from now, one way or the other.

St. Gemma Galgani, pure virgin, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Stephen Francis, may God bless you with your continued faith and continued posting on these forums!

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The "church" that Bogus Ordite speaks of is not the true church, it's a counterfeit church.

I've always felt WYD is just another event for modernists to have their fun. I'll never forget that picture I saw of JPII at WYD making that ridiculous face/look. Whenever I see that picture, I feel like telling people "Take a good look everyone, THAT is what a modernist looks like".